Wednesday, July 16, 2025

Reincarnation, or something else?

As most regular readers will be aware, the proximate reason for my last post, "Trying to make Christian sense of original sin and reincarnation," was questions raised by Bill Wright's theory -- to which he adduces considerable synchromystical evidence -- that I am the reincarnation of Ar-Pharazôn, last king of Númenor, a character who appears in Tolkien's Silmarillion and whose story is elaborated upon in Daymon Smith's channeled material.


People have proposed past lives for me before -- Lord Byron, Herman Melville, and Hyrum Smith, among many others -- but Pharazon (we usually dispense with the prefix and the circumflex around here) presents unique problems. First and most obvious -- so obvious that we tend to gloss over it -- is the fact that he is a fictional character. Accepting that I or anyone else is his literal reincarnation means accepting Tolkien's novels as historically true -- not just in some broad or figurative sense, but in sufficient detail for individual characters in his works to correspond to real people who lived somewhere or other in the distant past. Even if we swallow that camel, as Bill and Leo do, there remains this gnat to strain at: According to those same fictional-but-maybe-not works, Pharazon never died. Rather, he and his men "lie imprisoned in the Caves of the Forgotten, until the Last Battle and the Day of Doom." You can't really reincarnate without dying first, but people somehow tend to overlook that. My Uncle Bill, the first and most prolific of those who have proposed past lives for me, believes that Jesus Christ has reincarnated several times (most recently as a notorious criminal), with no explanation given as to how that squares with the Resurrection; and most Christian believers in reincarnation will point to John the Baptist as Elijah reincarnated, even though Elijah reportedly ascended bodily to heaven in a chariot of fire.

Maybe literal reincarnation is actually the wrong way to conceptualize whatever is going on here. That a new approach may be called for is suggested by the fact that Bill identifies me not only with Pharazon but with Humpty Dumpty -- yes, the nursery-rhyme character, as expanded by Lewis Carroll. Obviously, no one is going to make the case that Humpty Dumpty really existed and that I am his literal reincarnation. I mean, there's crazy, and then there's crazy, and we're not that crazy. And yet it seems to me that the sync evidence tying me to Humpty is of exactly the same character as that tying me (and Humpty) to Pharazon. I think Bill's understanding of this is that the symbol of Humpty is being used (by the sync fairies or whoever) as another way of tying me to Pharazon. For example, Daymon's version of Pharazon had a very special belt of which he was very proud, whereas I once took up the hobby of climbing brick walls and walking around on top of them, a pastime I abandoned after spraining my ankle in a fall. Once Humpty Dumpty is added to the mix -- he of course fell from a wall, and in Carroll's version had a special belt or cravat of which he was very proud -- this counts as another link between me and the Númenórean king,

Another interpretation that suggests itself is that I "am" Pharazon only in the same sense that I "am" Humpty Dumpty.

But in what sense could that be?

I have already mentioned Elijah and the problems inherent in supposing this translated being to have reincarnated as John the Baptist. A different model is perhaps suggested by the Mormon take on the relationship between Elijah and John -- the distinctive and rather confusing "doctrine of Elias." In Mormonism Elias, besides being the Greek form of the name Elijah, is a sort of title or role, usually explained as being that of a "forerunner" or a "restorer." Why that name should have that meaning is not exactly clear, as Elijah the Tishbite of the Old Testament did not himself play either of those roles in any obvious way. The idea seems to have developed out of the closing verses of the Old Testament (Mal. 4:5-6), where it is prophesied that "Elijah the prophet" will be sent "before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord" (i.e. as a forerunner) and will turn "the heart of the children to their fathers" (perhaps implying some sort of restoration). Apparently what was originally a prophecy that Elijah himself would do those things somehow evolved into the use of his name as a title for whoever would do those things -- mainly, as it turned out, John the Baptist.

Even though this "Elias, which was for to come" (Matt. 11:14), identified with John, would seem to be a wholly prophetic construct with no real connection to the historical Elijah, the historical Elijah nevertheless does seem to be involved, since Matthew goes out of his way to mention that John dressed in the same distinctive way as Elijah (Matt. 3:4, 1 Kgs. 1:8). (Funnily, this distinctive costume involves a special belt, just as with Pharazon and Humpty; perhaps a bit of synchronistic encouragement for this line of thought?) It seems that the Tishbite himself was "an Elias" even though he wasn't a forerunner or restorer. And plenty of people who were forerunners or restorers are never called Elias. This suggests that Elias is not something as simple enough to have a definition but has more the quality of a personality, a dynamic and ever-developing archetype which can be instantiated in individuals as if by something along the lines of Sheldrakean resonance. "We can make new archetypes," Laeth recently wrote, and perhaps we are in the process of doing just that?

(Added to my to-read list: Elias: An Epic of the Ages by Orson F. Whitney.)

This conception of "Elias," as vague as it is at this point, is recognizably similar to the way supernatural roles like that of the Fisher King are treated in Last Call by Tim Powers. Bugsy Siegel is succeeded in this role first by the evil Georges Leon and then by the protagonist Scott Crane, but not in a way that involves anything like reincarnation. Becoming the Fisher King is partly a destiny you are born with and partly something you have to actively embrace and fight for, and the role itself is nothing that could be encapsulated in a definition but is flexible enough that it can be played for good or for evil. Still, it is a distinct thing with some sort of ontological reality -- not just a figurative way of describing people -- and it can only be filled by one person at a time.


Still just thinking aloud here and trying out different perspectives.

6 comments:

HomeStadter said...

I've toyed with the idea the John the Baptist was Elijah, not re-incarnated but returned to earth, presumably in a fiery chariot. This makes nonsense of Luke's infant stories, but then the infant stories of the gospels were always a little sus.
If true it would appear to the Judeans as if a mighty prophet appeared out of nowhere, with no idea of who he was or were he came from.

Dagoth said...

Humpty Dumpy is Brahman from Hinduism; He blew up into all the souls and they're trying to put him back together again by reaching enlightenment. So to someone who believes in that kind of metaphysics, we would all be Humpty Dumpty. Tat tuam asi, thou art that, where "that" is Humpty Dumpty.

Anonymous said...

''...being that of a "forerunner" or a "restorer." Why that name should have that meaning is not exactly clear, as Elijah the Tishbite of the Old Testament did not himself play either of those roles in any obvious way. ''

1 Ki 18:44-46 And it came to pass at the seventh time, that he said, Behold, there ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man’s hand. And he said, Go up, say unto Ahab, Prepare thy chariot, and get thee down, that the rain stop thee not. 45. And it came to pass in the mean while, that the heaven was black with clouds and wind, and there was a great rain. And Ahab rode, and went to Jezreel. 46. And the hand of the Lord was on Elijah; and he girded up his loins, and ran before Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.

Ra1119bee said...

William,
Part 1 of 2
If I may enter into
this conversation and share
an alternative perspective,
albeit a very simple one.

As I've shared many times
I believe that we play different roles (archetypes)
much like in a play on this world's stage.

The Sacred Science Knowledge
contains all the play's scripts/knowledge'
which, I believe this knowledge
is held in our soul via the pineal gland
and Third Eye. The soul 'speaks' to us each night in REM
sleep in the Universal Language of symbolism,
numbers/gematria and archetypes.


IMHO, when our soul incarnates/incarcerates
(which I believe is the same thing )
in physical 'matter' body we 'fall down' each incarnation to
this duality dimension in order to learn and teach lessons
( the good, the bad and the ugly ). Very much like school.
Each grade ( a different lesson to learn, or teach )as the soul
goes around the wheel i.e. the clock of time.

In astrology
think of each school grade as a different zodiac sign.
From Aries to Pisces. 12 signs, 12 hours on a clock.
Each astrological sign is a different lesson.

The first six 'grades', Aries to Leo, the lesson is one
of learning about self.

Aries for example is a fire sign. Its ruling planet Mars.
Aries' ( the Ram ) natives ( the native being an individual
soul born in a particular sign ) is the warrior.
We all need the warrior archetype
some way shape or form as
our warrior within helps us to survive
in this 'jungle' duality dimension.

All of the archetypes are within
each one of us and they all play
a very important role as I'm sure you know
all of this.

Consider the prostitute archetype which
we All have.
Copy and paste ;
"The prostitute archetype demonstrates
the difference between self-imprisonment,
dishonesty, domination
and freedom, self-expression, and self-empowerment.
It gives you a choice to use your power, talents,
and abilities for the **** positive or the negative.***
~~~~~~
We all employ the prostitute in our lives
when we say or do something contrary to our beliefs but
we still do or say, in order to gain something, a promotion
perhaps, or approval, aka' selling our soul.'

Aries and the warrior archetype,
Copy and paste from wiki:
"In Greek mythology, the symbol of the ram
is based on the Chrysomallus,
the flying ram that rescued Phrixus and Helle,
the children of the Boeotian king Athamas
and provided the Golden Fleece.

Beyond the association to the planet Mars,
there is no link between Aries and Ares,
the god of war, often pictured with a vulture
and whose origin possibly stems from ἀρή (arē),
the Ionic form of the Doric ἀρά (ara),
"bane, ruin, curse, imprecation",
though this is thought improbable by Beekes"
~~~~~~~~~

Ra1119bee said...


William,
Part 2

I believe that each time the soul incarnates
in a particular sign
it seeks to find the balance
of that sign as all power sources
have both a positive AND negative polarity.
The negative polarity being our shadow.

If we don't find the
balance of a particular sign's lesson in
one incarnation, then our soul must return
over and over until it learns that particular
sign's lesson.

Because the physical body is in matter,
it's weak and needy from cradle to grave.
It can be crushed.
The physical body stinks , ages dies and rots
but also the physical body ( through the mind/ego )
can be and often times is CONTROLLED.


The ego pleasures and protects
the physical body only, but of course the soul
needs a physical body to navigate
from point A to point B in this
duality dimension.
I believe the soul and ego are adversaries.


When we are off kilter because of
our ego, it's the 'heaviness' of the ego
that becomes our downfall.
Humpty Dumpty indeed.


I believe that when we finally find balance,
we 'graduate' to the next zodiac sign until we complete
(symbolic of the circle ) all 12 lessons/grades.

The last six zodiac signs, Libra to Pisces is one of
learning our connection
and place within the whole/collective/
our harmony with our fellow man and woman/
the universe.

I believe that when we complete all 12 grades,
Pisces being the last, we have earned our place
with the Divine (God ) and no longer
required to incarnate into this
heavy gravity , waring , chaotic, duality planet,
and for a high vibrational soul,
never having to incarnate/incarcerate
again, that's HEAVEN. We're free.

I do believe however that the completed soul
can be 'called' (by God) to return
to this duality dimension in physical body
to help teach lessons,
( which for the soul having to
fall down again is a sacrifice).

This particular part of the cycle may explain
why bad and tragic things happen to good people
or innocent children.
Perhaps their soul sacrifice's itself for a greater good
for humanity to learn very important
lessons and to evolve, which ultimately
means to let go of the ego/evil.

Perhaps we all are the Eggman:
"I am he as you are he, as you are me and we are all together"
--- The Beatles

All my Humble opinion of course;-))))


I Am The Walrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Jm5epJr10

https://myss.com/free-resources/sacred-contracts-and-your-archetypes/appendix-the-four-archetypes-of-survival/

The Shadow Side of Your Zodiac Sign — Carl Jung Explains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNPPtp0oJA&t=2s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aries_(astrology)

William Wright (WW) said...

There are several versions of the Numenorean Fall in which Pharazon does not end up in some kind of cave and living forever. As I've suggested before, if I were you I would look into the various versions of stories found in The History of Middle-earth before concluding that something must be one way or another because that is how it is written in the Silmarillion. The story of Pharazon's demise is a good example as to why.

The very first version of that story is found in Volume 5 "The Lost Road". In that version of The Fall of Numenor, Pharazon's name was actually Angor, and his fate was specifically written as separate from the other Numenoreans. Pharazon and his wife "fell like stars into the dark, and they perished out of all knowledge". Meanwhile, his men who set foot on Aman were put into the Forgotten Caves. Two different fates, meaning Pharazon was not among the men in the Caves and what exactly happened to him was unknown.

In the second and third versions of The Fall of Numenor, this remains unchanged, except for the name of the Caves. Thus, in all three of the original versions, Pharazon did not go with the rest of the Numenoreans into these Caves.

Further, there are additional versions of Pharazon's fate in The Drowning of Numenor, which are another collection of writings of the Numenorean myth at a later time. Interestingly, these versions eliminate the Caves altogether. Not one mention. In these versions, the entire Numenorean force/ fleet was sunk into a great chasm in the sea and into oblivion. No separate mention of Pharazon is made in these versions to refute or build on the earlier versions.

Tolkien then later wrote the Akallabeth after these earlier versions, and it is here that we finally see Pharazon buried under the hills with the rest of the Numenoreans.

So, if you take the Akallabeth and the Silmarillion as 'authoritative' (I do not), I guess your assumption here must be right, and you can't be Pharazon. However, these other versions, and Tolkien's own view on the historicity of the Numenorean story (that they were legends and guesses that survived a great cataclysm, and thus not completely reliable in all details), I think there is room to at least entertain the thought that Pharazon's fate is not fully known and we should be careful in saying some things must or must not be a certain way because of how we have read them in one version of the story.

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