Monday, May 11, 2026

Under

I just wanted to note the recurrence of Under, as a capitalized name for a particular place or condition.

First, the Men at Work song "Down Under" came up in "Tim knows" (February 17) and "To the Faithful Departed" (March 6). The original song of course refers to Australia, but these posts refer to how it has recently been appropriated for meme purposes and made to refer to Agartha, the underground home of the King of the World, as described in Ossendowski's Beasts, Men, and Gods. This of course relates to "Ar-Pharazon the King," who lies "buried under falling hills . . . in the Caves of the Forgotten." In "We must maintain a warlike atmosphere in Antarctica" (March 12), I note that "Antarctica is also the ultimate 'Down Under,' even more so than Australia."

Near the end of The Strange Fascinations of Noah Hypnotik (spoiler!), we learn that during most of the story Noah has been living in a Matrix-style virtual reality which he thinks is real, while at the same time his friend Alan has been in a coma. Both of these conditions are referred to by Noah as "Under." Plato's Allegory of the Cave is also repeatedly referenced, for a further link to the Caves of the Forgotten. After returning to the real world, Noah visits the still comatose Alan in the ICU and tells him where he's been:

I give Alan the Concise History of my time Under, and when I'm done, I kiss his motionless hand . . . for as long as I'd been Under, he'd been Under too.

To find that quote, I word-searched my digital copy of Noah Hypnotik (I read it in hard copy but also downloaded an epub for searchability) for the word under and scrolled down to the end of the long list of hits. I found what I was looking for near the end, but here's the very last occurrence of under in the book:

I let the snow land where it may and wonder at the longevity of its history: its lakes, oceans, and pools; its cave rivers; its underground civilizations.

The sentence is about snow, linking it to some degree to the Antarctic, but it refers to both caves and for some reason to "underground civilizations," suggesting Agartha.

Finally, I have been reading Robert Douglas-Fairhurst's The Story of Alice, a biography of Lewis Carroll, his muse, and his books. The first manuscript version of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland was titled Alice's Adventures Under Ground. Douglas-Fairhurst notes the non-standard spelling -- "the word Underground having been tunnelled into to become Under Ground" -- which serves to make Under a stand-alone capitalized word, in keeping with our theme. The author also quotes some pre-Alice uses of the word wonderland, one of which ties wonder to under:

Down into wonderland --
Down to the under-land --
Go, oh go!
Down into wonderland go!

Yesterday's post "Just-ice and Al-ice" ties Wonderland to the Antarctic, noting that the Alice books were taken there by Captain Scott, so there's a tie to that other "Down Under." It's also worth noting that the broad narrative structure of Noah Hypnotik matches that of Alice, with the main character not realizing until he "wakes up" near the end that the whole story has taken place in an unreal dream-world.

"The secret rules of Wonderland," also posted yesterday, includes three quotes from The Story of Alice. In the first of these, I quoted only part of the sentence. Here is the complete sentence, coming just after a mention of Freud's The Interpretation of Dreams:

The unconscious turned out to be another version of Wonderland -- a place that gave the impression of being chaotically lawless, while secretly working according to its own rules.

Here is the reason Freud gives, in The Question of Lay Analysis, for abandoning his earlier term "subconscious" (Unterbewusstsein) in favor of "unconscious" (Unbewusstsein):

If someone talks of subconsciousness, I cannot tell whether he means the term topographically – to indicate something lying in the mind beneath consciousness – or qualitatively – to indicate another consciousness, a subterranean one, as it were. He is probably not clear about any of it. The only trustworthy antithesis is between conscious and unconscious.

So again we have the idea of an underground world.

This next bit is not directly related to the Under theme, but I'm including it here because it doesn't quite merit a post of its own. This afternoon I read in The Story of Alice of how the Alice books had influenced the work of Evelyn Waugh. Describing the plot of Waugh's Decline and Fall, Douglas-Fairhurt writes:

Sent to the red-light district of Marseilles, he arrives at a brothel called Chez Alice, and when he ends up in prison a former teacher from the school working there as a chaplain meets a grisly death by being decapitated by a religious maniac.

What is synchronistically notable here is the juxtaposition of prostitution, the name Alice, and a former teacher. In the comments on "Book of Mormon names and Pi Days" (May 8), Laeth mentions the novel he is currently writing, saying that it "shares characters with Sketches of Alice" and that "adolescent prostitution is mentioned in two of the chapters." The title character in Sketches of Alice is the main character's former history teacher.


Note added: I published this post at 4:13 p.m. It discusses The Story of Alice and The Strange Fascinations of Noah Hypnotik, and mentions the title character in the latter book visiting his friend Alan in the hospital. At 8:10, just under four hours later, I read in The Story of Alice about how Alice Liddell Hargreaves's son Alan was wounded in World War I and "died next day in hospital."

At first I just noticed the sync of someone named Alan being in the hospital, but then I went back and checked the dates. Alan Hargreaves died on Monday, May 10, 1915, at about 4 a.m. I am writing this on Monday, May 11, 2026, just one day after the anniversary of Alan's death, and on the same day of the week.

12 comments:

Ra1119bee said...

William,
I believe that it's the 'under' that is symbolic of the blackness
which is where the truth is hidden.
Didn't all prophets at some point emerge from a cave?
Copy and paste;
" The Prophets and the Persecuted

Caves also served as places of refuge for prophets
and those persecuted for their faith.
During the reign of King Ahab and Queen Jezebel,
the prophet Elijah faced severe opposition.

In 1 Kings 19:9 , Elijah finds himself
in a cave on Mount Horeb, where he
encounters the ****voice of the Lord:

"There Elijah entered a cave and spent the night.
And the word of the LORD came to him, saying,
'What are you doing here, Elijah?'"
~~~~~~~~~
We all visit our caves every night in REM.

Wake up! Wake up! is a voice( call ) to
begin the movement ( 22 ) so as to manifest.
An awakening from the illusion.

The dream isn't the illusion,
it's when our eyes are wide shut
that is the illusion.

Don't know if you've ever seen the 1999 Stanley Kubrick
movie Eyes Wide Shut starring Tom Cruise
and Nicole Kidman or not, but I think it makes my point.

I haven't seen Eyes Wide Shut in decades so
as I googled the wiki page, lo and behold what
do I find on the movie poster shown on
the wiki page??
Suprise Suprise, (tongue in cheek)
... an octagon picture frame.

Think that's a coincidence?

Keep in mind that just today , May 11
I googled Eyes Wide Shut only after writing
the above reference to
waking up. I think I probably saw the movie Eyes Wide
Shut in the early 2000's or so on Netflix.
I know I didn't see it at the theater.

I found a very thought provoking
and intriguing review of the movie ( so spoiler alert )
on youtube.

I think the review is absolutely spot on
and mirrors my perspective almost exactly
of not only the paranormal, but the illusion
of the reality we live in and think we know.
I highly encourage you to watch it.


If you do watch the review clip make note of
the reference and symbolism of : doors, virgins
and prostitutes ( one prostitute named Domino ),
gates, a piano and keys,
black (and purple and red ( both
colors of the Phoenix ) capes,
ships, coordinates and naval officers,
the blindfold, golden leaves
on a mask, balls ( 8 baal ) on a billiard table,
the setting of the story happening in NYC
in the week of Saturnalia.
Does all of the above sound familiar??

And last but not least, Tom Cruise's character
is named Dr. BILL Harford and
Nicole Kidman's character name is ALICE Harford.

So once again William,
by you posting this Under thread opened
a door for me to explore more of this movie, which
I've only seen once.

I can't say that I liked this movie
when I first saw it as it was too 'dark' for me at the time,
but if nothing else it validates a lot of what I've now
come to believe regarding our existence
in this duality dimension
which is : we have to go through the dark to get to the light.

Sync fairies never disappoint, at least not to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyes_Wide_Shut

Kubrick's Final Masterpiece: Eyes Wide Shut as a Critique of Power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luLW0IbImbo&t=6s

https://biblehub.com/topical/ttt/c/caves_were_used_as_places_of_concealment.htm

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

"To Lord Byron in the Wilderness: What doest thou here, Elijah? Can a Poet doubt the Visions of Jehovah? Nature has no Outline, But Imagination has. Nature has no Tune, but Imagination has. Nature has no Supernatural, and dissolves: Imagination is eternity."

That's from Blake's "The Ghost of Abel," based on a story which, it now occurs to me, includes the only mention of Isabel in the Bible: "Where IS ABEL thy brother?" (Genesis 4:9).

Ra1119bee said...

William,
Also and speaking of roof's and hot shoes
and tired feet and being out of the sun,
and Under a dark place down by the see( sea )
Oh My!!,
check out the 1964 song by The Drifters
titled: Under the Boardwalk.

Under the Boardwalk was a favorite on the West Side of
Dayton back in the day.

The Drifters - Under the Boardwalk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPEqRMVnZNU

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

The ultimate cave prophet was Epimenides, the tattooed seer of Knossos, who fell asleep in a cave and emerged 57 years later with the gift of prophecy.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

When I was in college, there was a running joke that I moonlighted as the frontman of a reggae band called Tycho and the Drifters.

Ra1119bee said...

William,
I believe that the role of the Nigredo ( our shadow ) is to help us transition.
Our shadow slayed is our way out of the illusion.
Our soul saves us.

Ra1119bee said...

William,
Reggae band??Tycho and the Drifters?
That's too funny.

I also want to clarify something I wrote about our soul saves us.
Please know that I absolutely believe that only God saves us
but as I've shared many times,
I also believe that our soul is connected to God.

By saying that our soul saves us,
my point being and I believe that our soul
saves us from the illusion of this duality dimension.

Leo said...

The phrase "faithful departed" has been on my mind this weekend as well after watching Scorcese's "The Departed" on Saturday. I had seen the film before but my wife was hankering for a good thriller and it had been long enough for me that I suggested it. She did not care for the movie b/c it is somewhat graphic with violence and has two brief sexual scenes but she did concede it's a well made film. At any rate, "the faithful departed" phrase was used a couple of times during Catholic funerals portrayed in the film.

After the movie it dawned on me that the film portrays a William "Bill" Costigan (who is portrayed by an actor named Leo), whose counterpart in the film is Colin Sullivan (portrayed by Matt Damon...or Daymon, if you prefer). These two are in quite the cat and mouse, both playing an undercover role. I won't say more b/c I would hate to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, but the timing is certainly interesting with your mention of the same phrase today.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

We almost made it big, Debbie, but the world just wasn't ready for banjo-driven reggae.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Interesting, Leo. I've been to my share of Catholic funerals, that being the religion of my father's family, but I never noticed that phrase and didn't know it was a standard formula.

William Wright (WW) said...

Leo mentioned "The Departed". There is a third actor he didn't call out: Jack Nicholson, our old symbol from movies like The Shining and A Few Good Men. He was linked to Pharazon in those symbols, very specifically, and in The Departed he is the leader of the Irish Mafia in Boston, tying to Cipher/ Cypher and secret evils and societies Mafia is a term that means "Sicilian secret society of criminals" (the Sicilian mention reminded me of our other friend Vizzini). Seems a tie into my recent comments on your 'secret knots' phrase.

What caught my attention, however, is the name that they gave Jack Nicholson in the movie. Frank Costello. This is actually a real character, but more on that in a second. I've mentioned in the past that Pharazon, and the Numenoreans, took the form of Deer in my dreams, one level likely a play on the Elvish word for Men: Dir. Specifically, in one dream I saw Pharazon as a Deer hobbling on crutches off my of pasture after trying to steal my pumpkins.

So it was with some interest that I noted the name Costello means "Deer-like/ resembling a Deer", just like Pharazon did in my dream.

In real life, Frank Costello became the acting boss of the Luciano crime family. In my earlier comment, I linked the secret knots/ naughts to the secret combinations mentioned in the Book of Mormon and quoted Nephi where he wrote that the Devil is the founder of these secret combinations. Luciano shares the same root as Lucifer, the traditional name of the Devil.

Nephi wrote that the secret combinations were synonymous with Murder - it was the specific work of darkness he called out - something you just alluded to again with your "Is Abel" play on words, in referencing the first murder of the Bible. I referenced Jack Nicholson's role in The Shining (Luciano means Shining as well). Murder was a central theme of that movie, but for most of it the word was said and spelled backwards: "Redrum", like something Mr. Mxyzptlk would do.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Connecting to Debbie's comment about all prophets coming out of caves:

"PATMOS — The Apostle John emerged from his cave earlier this week . . ."

https://babylonbee.com/news/there-it-couldnt-be-more-clear-announces-john-after-finishing-revelation