Alice and Saturn (also zero and toucans)

In "Chester Bennington and King Hamlet" (April 3), I quoted a post associating Saturn with the promise of eternal youth:

Occult groups have always been obsessed with youth, there seems to be some idea of sacrifice in exchange for the extension of the material life. It is reminiscent of Cypher's betrayal in The Matrix, where he decides to live in blissful ignorance inside the machine rather than face the hard truth. This is what Saturn offers.

In "Pebbles, specs, keys, shoon" (April 5), I quoted a 4chan post about Humpty Dumpty's "evil" suggestion that Alice might remain "just under 8 years old forever":

Lots of these "going to a magical fantasy world" stories are about sick cult activities. Many fairytales are ancient luciferian programming scripts. Notice also Peter pan "never grow up" - this is referring to the child alter personality splits that are created by the extreme abuse; they never grow up. Relevant quote from textbin link below: "HUMPTY DUMPTY'S evil speech to ALICE about how she can remain at her age - just under 8 years old forever...'two can'...this is TOUCAN programming which ANTONY RADCLIFFE speciallised in - the creation of 'child alters' frozen in time, through extreme torture. "One can't, perhaps,' said Humpty Dumpty; 'but two can. With the proper assistance you might have left off (growing up) at seven.'")

Today (April 10), I read this in Robert Douglas-Fairhurst's The Story of Alice, about a meeting between John Ruskin and Alice Liddell:

In his autobiography Praeterita, Ruskin recalled an occasion when 'the Planet Saturn had treated me with his usual adversity in the carrying out of a plot with Alice in Wonderland'

He goes on to recount a story of looking forward to having tea alone with Alice and then being disappointed by "the unexpected return of her parents." It's not clear what the planet Saturn had to do with it all.

"Hometo Omleto" (May 2024) mentions "Alice, in her eighth year" and "the zero-shaped Humpty." In the quotations above, the promise of eternal youth is associated with a character called Cypher (meaning "zero") and with Alice remaining in her eighth year forever.

The toucan is also mentioned in The Story of Alice, where the author criticizes Carroll's own unpublished illustrations for Alice (the published illustrations were by John Tenniel):

Carroll introduces the Gyrphon by stating 'if you don't know what a Gryphon is, look at the picture', but anyone who followed his advice might assume that this mythical creature had the body of a rat and a toucan's beak.