The Arizonans were very large people. I don't have a good feel for how tall they were, but each time I shook hands with one, it was like shaking hands with a catcher's mitt. They were profoundly stupid and animal-like -- not in a negative or pathological way, but just like animals, like bison or something. Likable, but obviously not of the same order of consciousness as myself. I decided goyish was the mot juste.
One of the Arizonans was driving me around in an ancient Jeep. There were no roads. He drove us out to a meadow where some big aurochs-like beasts were grazing.
"Is someone trying to learn how to communicate with them?" I asked, sensing intelligence in the big oxen.
"Nope," said the Arizonan. "Just checking on 'em."
Yep, there they were. Still eating grass and what have you. He turned the Jeep around.
I saw what I thought must be a general store up ahead and asked him to let me out there. The inside of the store was huge and seemed to be a natural cave. There wasn't really any merchandise or anything.
I met the owner of the general store, another giant of a man. He spoke slowly and very softly, and I kept having to ask him to repeat himself.
He started talking about being a Presbyterian and tried to tell me (not very clearly!) how Presbyterians understood the biblical phrase "the word of wisdom."
Since I was supposed to be a Mormon missionary and all, I decided I should explain what that same expression meant to Mormons. This proved to be impossible. He had no knowledge of any of the prohibited substances and couldn't even be made to understand what it meant for something to be habit-forming or addictive. I thought of the Cyclops in Homer, who drinks only milk and is ignorant of wine. I had the oddly specific thought that the Arizonans probably lived on nothing but bread, cheese, and apples. I thought of the gorillas in This Is Spinal Tap, "mainly a bread-eating species," who "can talk but they can't swear."
I met several others at the general store, all similarly large and intellectually limited. I began to wonder if they had been sent here, if this was perhaps some sort of prison, and what they might have done to end up here. None of them seemed to know where they had come from, how long they had been there, or why. Nor did they exhibit any curiosity when such questions were raised.
This was another dice experiment, and upon waking I jotted down a precis of the dream and then added "K of P" for "King of Pentacles" -- the obvious guess, I thought.
Later in the day I was going to put together my usual list of ranked predictions, but I suddenly lost patience with the whole thing. I had bit of sunstroke and a headache and just wasn't in the mood for mentally flipping through a deck of Tarot cards. "Forget it," I said to myself. "King of Pentacles, take it or leave it. If it's not the King of Pentacles, it can be the seven of bobolinks for all I care." I had become bored with the dream, too, and wasn't even going to bother posting it.
Then I checked the dice. I'd rolled 15, which is, you guessed it, the King of Pentacles.
Finally, a hit! Of course a hit is to be expected sooner or later by chance alone, so it remains to be seen whether I'm finally getting the hang of this trick or whether I just got lucky this once. We'll see if my rate of accuracy increases going forward.
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Note added: Here are some details of the dream I forgot to include in the post, which I wrote without consulting my notes.
At one point, the general-store guy with the quiet voice asked me why Hasidic Jews did a particular gesture, which he mimed for me -- something similar to putting one's arms out like airplane wings. I said I'd never known any observant Jews -- "I knew a lot of Jews in the city, but they were just" -- thinking how to express "ethnic" so that he would understand -- "they were only Jews because of what they were, not because of what they did. But I think any kind of" -- how to express "ritual"? -- "any kind of favorite action like that is going to have a meaning, even if we other people don't always know what it is."
At another point, this same guy asked me if I had seen a particular female giant -- some short, simple name along the lines of Amy or Tina -- and I said I hadn't. "Well, that's a hell of a way to say goodbye," he said. "Well, we don't know if she's said goodbye," I said. "I just haven't seen her."
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This would have been a public synch for both of us, if I had had time to publish my incubating post on the fairy story of Jack the Giant Killer - which is yet unwritten but was slated for this morning.
I went back on my posts to see where Arizona had come up before - I remembered it had, though not how. Your mention here of Giants and people in prison was already giving me Numenorean vibes (with Numenoreans both known for being very tall and many of them shut away in a prison), so I was curious as to any tie that I could find.
I brought it up in September of last year, in a dream of a hockey game. In the dream, a team with the initials "AZ" was playing, and a man exclaimed "This is a Phoenix team!" AZ is the abbreviation for Arizona, and through that word play, and the letters themselves, arrived at a reference to Alpha and Omega, who in my story is also symbolized by the Phoenix.
This seemed to further solidify the Numenorean vibes I was getting from your dream. The Numenoreans, starting with their first king Elros, I've guessed became part of what Joseph Smith called "The Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God". This order was instituted among them by Fionwe, who was that Son of God, and the Phoenix/ AZ.
Thus associated "Arizona" with Numenor, or Numenoreans, makes some sense - the ultimately adopted and then sinned against the order they had received. In your earlier post, you had mentioned that Arizona bordered both Utah and Minnesota, and given current geography, would seem to indicate that Arizona was placed in between those two states. Numenor of old, as the Terrestrial Kingdom, was also a place that stood between our Earth and Aman/ Heaven. Utah is a name that comes from the Utes meaning "People of the Mountain/ High Place", which could be a good stand in for Aman, and in other instances, including a dream Leo had some time ago, Minnesota has been symbolically associated with our Earth.
Further strengthening some of these connections is the Arizonan's remark about being a "Pentecostal". Pentecostal references Pentecost, or the event of the Holy Ghost descending upon the disciples. I've guessed Fionwe is one incarnation of the Holy Ghost, and he gave gifts, and started his order, among those first Numenoreans - making them Pentecostal.
Lastly, there is the King of Pentacles, and the association with the bison-like Beings in your dream. Joseph of Egypt ties into this story, and directly with Fionwe, and his symbol is the wild ox/ unicorn/ bull, as well as a garden and a vineyard (whose vines run over a wall), and thus could be one meaning or tie in to that King of Pentacles card, which prominently features bulls and grapevines. After all, as you likely noted in formulating your rolling guess, Pentacles and Pentecost have that same root word of Pente/ Five, and thus both tie to the Holy Ghost.
It's Presbyterian, Bill, not Pentecostal.
Sometimes I hear phrases as I am waking up, with the sensation that sometimes they are conversations I am listening in on, or things been 'spoken' to me.
A few days ago, as I was waking up, a simple phrase "Roll an Irish goodbye". We've commented on a few meanings of "roll", including to walk, but also with dice, as with your current experiment. An Irish goodbye is one in where someone just leaves without actually saying goodbye (kind of like what apparently happened to your general store guy at the end of your dream). The fact that it was Irish/ Ireland seemed relevant, and even more so when looking it up I noted that an Irish Goodbye is also called a French Goodbye.
The same day you had your Jesus/ Numenorean dream, the phrase spoken was "Rahm won't be coming anytime soon.... and you know why". Rahm is a name that means "Mercy, Compassion" and also "High, lofty". I then associated the name Rahm with Rahm Emanuel, a political figure in the US, whose last name Emanuel is typically considered an epithet for Jesus.
This morning, it was a mini conversation that went:
Voice: Have you been doing that vision writing?
Me: Huh?
Voice: Where you spy something but you can't say it
Spying, or seeing something, and not being able to say it but apparently being able to write it, would be a tie to 2 Nephi 3 and thus Joseph/ the Seer (and potentially one symbolic interpretation of the King of Pentacles)
Oh - misread that. Pentecostal was on my mind, I guess, maybe from Pentacles, and down the track I went.
Not a complete loss, though. Presbyterian is the word for Elder - a potential word game there with Eldar, which is what the Tolkien's elves were called. In the Numenorean story, Elves were born into the bodies of the Numenoreans. My story specifically identifies 96 of these Elves (or Fathers, also a reference to Elders) as needing to be rescued, with 82 of them having already been gathered.
The remaining 14 I has associated with Patrick/ Peter/ Ingwe at one point and the remaining Vanyar, and they need to be gathered home at some point (potentially the Irish Goodbye?)
There was a 15th, however, that apparently will facilitate that, so that is why it was interesting to see your roll of the number 15 associated with the King of Pentacles, and the symbols associated with Joseph.
But the other connections were obviously just in my mind.
If you pursue the etymology beyond just "elder," a presbyter was likely originally a leader of cattle.
The Presbyterian Church (a.k.a. Hopeless Situation Parliament) is also central to the plot of the famous space opera Backstroke of the West.
https://backstrokeofthewest.fandom.com/wiki/Presbyterian_Church
I've definitely never heard of the Backstroke of the West before, and that is pretty funny that the Presbyterian Church is the Jedi Council. Could be relevant as well. Star Wars symbolism has played into so many things for me, including the name Jedi. I had a dream last year that I tied to Jedi. At one point in the dream the entire sky was on fire and there was a great chant from the sky repeating "Jed! Jed! Jed!". There were other symbols in the dream that seemed to tie to the concept of "The Son" and many "Sky Walkers", another theme in my story and a tie to Luke and the Jedi.
Cattle takes my mind right to Jesus' words at Bountiful, quoting Malachi about calves being led up, and a sun/ son of righteousness, and also brings to mind Joseph Smith's letter talking about prisoner's going free. In that letter, we have interpreted these prisoners as referring to The Dead, which is how you interpreted the phrase Cold Brother.
There's even a Tolkienian connection, with this nod to Gollum:
https://backstrokeofthewest.fandom.com/wiki/Troopseses
I just went back to Joseph's letter now (D&C 128) since it had so suddenly popped into my mind when writing that comment above.
I was surprised to see that he invoked what has become such a specific phrase from Isaiah that both Abinadi and Jesus used in the Book of Mormon relative to my notion of a "Sky Walk", with the mountains having Beings with beautiful feet who bring glad tidings of good.
In the specific phrase I was thinking of, immediately before he mentions "King Immanuel", which was also interesting to see given the reference to Rahm Emanuel above in my earlier comment.
And, of course, there is the cryptic reference to what Immanuel has "ordained, before the world was, that which would enable us to redeem them out of their prison". Which is what? Well, in Joseph's view, in this letter, this had something to do with "records", and binding/ sealing things together. In my story, records and recordings, and even binding/ sealing things, are tied specifically to Stones.
Here is the specific quote, but the entire section is worth a read. You get a sense for the wheels turning in his mind, and he is using some sort of straight forward example (the simple recording of names) to touch on something that is far bigger, which is where his imagination runs as the letter builds:
"Brethren, shall we not go on in so great a cause? Go forward and not backward. Courage, brethren; and on, on to the victory! Let your hearts rejoice, and be exceedingly glad. Let the earth break forth in singing. Let the dead speak forth anthems of eternal praise to the King Immanuel, who hath ordained, before the world was, that which would enable us to redeem them out of their prison; for the prisoners shall go free."
I've felt that The Dead, and thus the prisoners, include us here on this earth and in these bodies.
The concept of a Cold Brother also gets to what Joseph writes of in his letter, invoking Paul's injunction that the "living" and the Dead cannot be made perfect without the other. In that Cold Brothers can and need to be redeemed and included in a welding link of some kind, and this also has to do with baptism.
William,
Hello
Goodbye
William,
You wrote,
"At another point, this same guy asked me
if I had seen a particular ***female giant
-- some*** short, simple name*** along the lines
of Amy or Tina***** -- and I said I hadn't.
*****"Well, that's a hell of a way to say goodbye," he said.
"Well, we don't know if she's said goodbye," I said.
"I just haven't seen her."****
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Copy and paste below regarding the Titian Greek
goddess Rhea in
mythology. The Titians were the Giants.
Re is Ra, a 'short simple name.'
Copy and paste :
"In alternative etymological hypothesis is that
"re” (cloud/sky) as a foundational element
in the ancient Illyric or pre-Albanian vocabulary
could symbolize the sky or celestial phenomena.
Given that Uranus is the sky god in Greek mythology,
and "Rhea" is his daughter, it’s plausible to hypothesize
that her name might have roots linked to "cloud" or "sky"
in the ancient Balkanic language.
Therefore, "Rhea", as a daughter of Uranus,
could be etymologically connected to this root,
implying "daughter of the sky" or "cloud-born,"
fitting her mythological role as a primordial
sky goddess or divine mother associated
with celestial elements".
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Rhea also has connections with a golden dog,
a golden retriever perhaps?
Re is also the Egyptian god RA.
RA having the head of a Falcon symbolic
of knowing the Language of the Birds
aka The Green Language.
Dreams are 'spoken' in symbolism.
Decipher the code, connect the dots
solve the puzzle.
Hello
Goodbye
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhea_(mythology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
The Beatles - Hello Goodbye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdBuXEzgzxE
That "Irish goodbye" thing is an interesting sync. I'd never heard it called that before; "French leave" is the more usual expression, I think.
I wonder if there's a blue-green connection with Arizona, which is known for its turquoise mines.
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