Saturday, January 11, 2025

The difference between Joseph and Brigham

Joseph Smith spoke with God face to face.

Brigham Young didn't know him from Adam.

4 comments:

Bruce Charlton said...

Good.

What about: Joseph was a prophet of God. Brigham was a prophet of the church.

To me, Joseph was a genius of metaphysical-theological insight, of world-historical stature. Brigham was a genius of social organization - the greatest in the history of the USA.

(My understanding is that - under Brigham Young's leadership, and for a few decades; poverty (by the standards of that era) was abolished in Deseret; and a well-ordered society was established in the Americas, such as only otherwise existed in the day-dreams of Mencius Moldbug.)

Moroni said...

But isn't it Joseph Smith in his King Foliet eulogy or whatever that said God is Adam?

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

No. The KF discourse just says that God was once a man (as Trinitarians also believe). Brigham introduced the idea that he was Adam, which was controversial within Mormonism from the very beginning.

Leo said...

Despite my great disdain for BY, I don't disagree with Adam being the Father. In my worldview He ate of the poisoned fruit in Eden (the fruit on the Trees after Ungoliant put her beak to the bark), died, was reborn as Beren and is considered "Adam" not for being the first mortal man but because he was the first mortal man redeemed from the Fall.

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