Saturday, August 30, 2025

Roses, sneezes, robbers, and falling down flat

At 8:34 a.m. yesterday, I posted "They blew, and the wall fell down flat," which included this picture of the Big Bad Wolf blowing down the House of Sticks and connected it with the story of the fall of Jericho, in which "the priests blew with the trumpets . . . and the wall fell down flat" (Joshua 6:20).


At 6:30 p.m. the same day, WanderingGondola left a comment on my post "Pizza Hut is one of this blog's top ten referrers," drawing attention to the fact that Rosetta Stone was also on the list of top referrers and calling it "a little synchy," presumably referring to the Rose Stone that is so central to Bill's story.

This triggered a vague memory of having read a book written by someone called Rosetta Stone when I was a child. Looking it up, I found that it was a pseudonym used by Dr. Seuss only once: for the book Because a Little Bug Went Ka-Choo!


This is a sort of "butterfly effect" book, where the bug's sneeze starts a chain of cause-and-effect that eventually leads to -- well, this (click to enlarge for the full effect).


Note that, in addition to the author's Rosetta Stone pseudonym, the cover also features a flower with a yellow center and five pink petals -- something that could easily be a wild rose.


Revisiting Because a Little Bug Went Ka-Choo! made me realize that that Big Bad Wolf picture sort of looks like the wolf is sneezing, too. Roses and children's books about sneezing and the phrase "fell down flat" all came together to remind me of another childhood favorite: Robert the Rose Horse.


Robert is allergic to roses, which make him sneeze, and every time he sneezes the description of the aftermath always ends by saying that someone or something "fell down flat." That exact phrase -- the same one I highlighted in my Big Bad Wolf post -- appears five times in Robert the Rose Horse.

In the end, Robert saves the day when he sees some men robbing a bank, quickly finds a rose, and sneezes them flat.


My parents used to read this story to me when I was extremely young, and I remember being somewhat confused by the similarity of the name Robert and the word robber. They sounded the same to me, and I couldn't understand why, if the robbers were the bad guys, the good horse was also called Robber.

The other "robber" book I remember from my childhood is the one I mentioned back in 2021 in "I don't think that's what 'one another' means," the one with the dragon that says, with his Pilate-like speech impediment, "Wace! Wun! Wobbers be done! The tewwible dwagon is here!" I never knew the title of the book (having been much too young to notice such things) and in the past have scoured the Internet in vain for any hint of its existence. Today, though, I decided to give it one more college try and finally got a lead!


I had thought of that book only because it features "robbers." I didn't know there was any rose connection. Here, though, is a comment by Rose Embolism, addressed to Lenora Rose, identifying the book as The Roaring Dragon of Redrose. Clicking the link, I found that this is indeed the book I remember from my earliest childhood:


I still can't find a scan of the book itself -- it's not on archive.org or Anna's or Google Books -- but just finding the cover and the title has made me very happy.

I think I may still have some drawings of the titular dragon which I made way back then. If so, I'll hunt them down and add them to this post.


Note added: Right after publishing the above, I tutored a junior high student in writing. Giving a verbal description of information shown in a line graph, she had written that "the percentage fell down slowly but [then] rised a little." I explained that "fall down" usually refers to things physically falling; for a quantity, "fell" or "went down" is more appropriate. I also reminded her that the verb rise has an irregular past tense, and she said, "Oh, that's right! It's rose."

Only later did I realize that both "fell down" and "rose" were synchronistically relevant to this post.


Second note added: Even though I'd just searched Anna's hours ago, I decided to try one more time. This time I used a shorter prompt, just "roaring dragon" in quotes, and I found it! The reason I'd missed it before is that someone had mistyped the title.


While the cover image clearly says Redrose, the title in the database has redhorse. Since I had just been thinking of this book in connection with a Rose Horse, the corruption of rose into horse is an additional sync.


Third note added: In both Robert the Rose Horse and The Roaring Dragon of Redrose, a central plot point is the main character's attempt to find a job in a human town.



The names Robert and Rodrigo are also related. The initial Ro- comes from the same Germanic root, meaning "fame, glory," in each case.

7 comments:

Ra1119bee said...

 William,
Part 1 of 2
I wrote my new comment before
I read your update about Ro the Horse.
Please recall my too many comments
about the etymology
of the names Robert/ Robards meaning fame, bright,
which I believe that
bright is symbolic of the Shining Ones aka EL's.

Interestingly as well the horse having connections
to the name Marshall, which means 'horse servant'.
The Horse Servant in mythology and history
held a very important position.

Also Lexington Kentucky in the Bluegrass
State renowned as the Horse Capital of the World,

Here's what I wrote regarding KA-Choo
  I believe the big picture of the Dr. Seuss' story:
 'Because a little bug went Ka-Choo', is the connectivity
 of everything which in turn affects everything else.

At the end of the story, one of the effects
of the KA-choo is a policeman ( who is called
on the phone by the farmer's wife Mrs. Brown)
after hitting a stone/rock, flies up and then falls
down into a boat called the Mary Lou.

LuLu in the Cambridge dictionary means
something extremely good or something extremely
bad.
I also found this interesting about the name Lu
which I'm sure you know. If I'm wrong, please
correct me.
Copy and paste: asterisks mine
"When examining the etymology of the name Lu,
 it is derived from the Chinese character “卢” (lú),
which is pronounced as “Lu” in Mandarin Chinese.

This character has various meanings, including
***** “black” or “dark” and *****“deer”.
The interpretation of the surname Lu can differ
 depending on the specific character used,
 as there are multiple characters
 in Chinese that share the same pronunciation."
~~~~~~~
If you read my comment about the Greek god Melampus
 and what I believe  a personal connection you might
recall reference to the word Melampus meaning black foot
which although not a deer, the impala or rooibok
(Aepyceros*** melampus, lit. 'black-footed high-horn'
in Ancient Greek) is a medium-sized antelope according to wiki.

I only made that reference of Lu to Melampus
because of the 'dark' black deer connection.

Interestingly in the story is the significance of the phone
 ( PhoneX/ Phoenix ). Recall my many comments
about the Phone and transformation which
appears in several movies that have
 an Übermensch theme.

 
 If you watch the Because a Little Bug went Ka-Choo
 read- out- loud video, you'll see on the first page,
an illustration of a  yellow bug
inside of a blue phone.

The Phoenix being that which is transformed,
and in this story it is  a KA-choo which starts
the transformation.

KA is a part of the soul
Copy and paste: asterisks mine
"The kꜣ (ka), 𓂓, was the Egyptian concept of vital essence,
 which distinguishes the difference between a living
 and a dead person, with ***death occurring when
****the kꜣ left the body.

 The Egyptians believed that Khnum created the
**** bodies of children on a potter's wheel*** and
 inserted them into their mothers' bodies.
 Depending on the region, Egyptians believed
that Heqet or Meskhenet **** was the creator
of each person's kꜣ, ****breathing****
 it into them at the ****instant of their birth
as the part of their soul
 that made them be alive.****
~~~~~~~~~
The breath' carries the KA-choo, no?

Ra1119bee said...

William
part 2 

Although I'm not trying to suggest that
 Theodor Seuss Geisel aka Dr. Seuss' ( or Zeus perhaps?)
work was sinister with intentions of
 trying to 'rob' children of their minds
and innocence and therefore a bad guy,
I will however bet the farm that Seuss was privy to
the Sacred Science Knowledge especially
factoring in that Seuss was born a Pisces ( March
2 ) and attended Ivy-League Dartmouth and Lincoln
College at Oxford.

Another clue that Seuss' work was deeper
than the poetic cat-in- the -hat is that Seuss was also a
 Political Cartoonist, which I believe
 supports my perspective not only about Seuss'
work having deeper meaning and perhaps intentions,
but also supports my opinion that everything
is political.

Again I bet the farm that Seuss wove into his
work elements of the metaphysical including
alchemy.
So, I'm not surprised that Seuss would pen
under the name Rosetta Stone.  Seuss more
likely than not was a Rosy.

Omitting the vowels e u, SSS becomes 111.
S being the 19th letter in the alphabet 
and when reduced equals 1.
Hidden hand in plain sight, no?

I also found it interesting that the Lincoln
College Arms pictures 3 Stags.
Copy and Paste:
Its sister college is Downing College,
 Cambridge. Mensa, the oldest high-IQ
 society in the world,
 was founded at the college in 1946.

 Its sister college is Downing College, Cambridge. Mensa,
 the oldest high-IQ society in the world, was founded
 at the college in 1946.

The Rector of the college ( Lincoln) is former president
 of the Royal Geographical Society Nigel Clifford. Notable
 alumni include writers Theodor Seuss Geisel (Dr. Seuss)."
~~~~~
And last but not least, as the winding of the bug's Ka-choo
almost comes to a close at the end of the story,
 a circus parade appears on
the path. A circus is symbolic of an illusion.

According to the illustration it appears that the circus
created chaos. In the chaos
you'll see Mrs. Brown is still holding and shouting
into the blue Phone, with a lion
leading the way.

Also a lovely ' transformation' theme movie with
a 'Lulu' connection is the 1967 movie To Sir with Love
Sidney Poitier is the Nigredo in that transformation
movie.
Note by omitting the vowels, LuLu,
becomes LL ( EL ).

Think of it, all of this new and different information
gathered and connecting, at least to me,
because of a Ka-choo.:-))

Thanks for posting it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Seuss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_College,_Oxford#The_College_Arms

Because a Little Bug Went Ka - Choo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRMnrF5DQA0

To Sir, with Love • Theme Song • Lulu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV1qmmMwc9M

William Wright (WW) said...

Robert the Rose Horse was a great book. My dad would read it to us as kids as well, and he would do all of the theatrics of the big sneezes. Though my own confusion as a kid was why the sneeze was written the way it was - I had never (and still haven't) heard anyone sneeze with a sound of anything like "Ker-Choo". I was also confused why Robert was issued a police shirt, but no pants.

Obviously a possible link here with your other Robert - Robert Frost. Even your own recollection of linking the name Robert with Robber would have Pharazonian overtones, or at least to a Jack or character who has stolen something.

Robert is also a horse, potentially linking to the Horsemen. Though you had mapped Pharazon to the Black Horse, and Robert is Grey. Grey would seem to have a definition that more matches Pale (with both having meanings associated with "colorless"), though, but not sure that is important or matters.

I also noted that the job Robert ends up in a blue uniform, perhaps tying to the blue attire/ visualization we've seen in other places. Beside the Blue Wizards, we had the specific Jay Leno symbolism. The interesting thing there is that in you Jay Leno dream, there was the book title in which, under on interpretation, Jay Leno was letting us all in on the identity of abductors (other thieves, perhaps) which might tie into the theme of Robert catching other robbers.

It is an interesting part of the story that Robert is allergic to Roses up until the very end of the story. Once he gives that one final sneeze and catches the thieves, being around roses poses no problems for him. He is healed.

Also, surprisingly, given all of the ascension, rising, etc., symbolism and themes associated with the Rose Stone that I've written about, I hadn't caught that Rose is a play on words for/ another form of the word Rise until I read your note here.

William Wright (WW) said...

After posting the above, I thought of your comment about how it could look like the Big Bad Wolf was sneezing, and remembered another children's book I had come across which purported to give the actual true account of what happened with the Wolf and the Three Little Pigs. Here is a read-aloud of the book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIfBpZOQwls

In this account, the Wolf was actually sick and had accidentally sneezed when he blew the houses down.

This idea of a "True Story" also seems like it could be a possible connection with the "True Song of the Wandering Aengus" and my own hypothesis that we don't have the complete story of what happened with Pharazon, the Numenoreans, and Eressea. The children's book starts out with the Wolf saying:

"Everybody has heard the story of the Three Little Pigs. Or at least they think they do. But I'll let you in on a little secret. Nobody knows the real story, because nobody has ever heard my side of the story."

You could replace "The Three Little Pigs" in this quote with something like "The Fall of Numenor", and get a very Pharazonian quote that would fit well in the story I imagined.

If you listen to the audiobook I linked, you'll see that the Wolf had gone to the Pigs' houses to borrow sugar. This links directly to previous uses of Sugar. For example, you had that dream involving "Dr. Sands' All Sand Tarts", and identified them with sugar cookies. I then connected those cookies/ tarts to the Lilies on Eressea, which Pharazon landed on Eressea to have, and specifically cited Sugar as a connection point. From the comments:

'In further support of this is the sugar cookie aspect. [Per] Etymonline sugar means "sweet crystalline substance from plant juices". Like the sweet nectar Pharazon drank directly from the plant it was made in. The tart/ cookies are a baked good as well, and Pengolod's said that the bread of the Elves was made using those lilies.'

William Wright (WW) said...

One other quick note on that "true story" of the Three Little Pigs.

The Wolf introduces himself by his full name, but then concludes by saying "But you can call me Al".

"You can call me Al" is a song by Paul Simon. We've had Simon and Garfunkel come up before, and I suppose have a potential Peter link given the Simon name tie-in.

In the music video, the color of Paul Simon's shirt caught my attention, as did the color of the room, which could be described as being Rose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA

William Wright (WW) said...

And it just occurred to me that Chevy Chase is Paul Simon's partner in this video who is pretending to sing for Simon. Chevy is a French name that means "Horseman", and Chase is a name that mean "One who Hunts".

We've identified one of the Horsemen as Faramir, whose name means "Jewel Hunter", and has been associated overall with the Hunter (like in Orion). Potentially some meaning, therefore, in having Paul Simon and Chevy Chase together here.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Bear symbolism has come up in connection with Pharazon, and I’ve long entertained the hypothesis that “Big Bad Wolf” stories were originally about bears.

https://narrowdesert.wordpress.com/2018/11/25/was-the-big-bad-wolf-in-fact-a-bear/

The fact that the Big Bad Wolf wants “sugar” (honey?) reinforces this.

A few days ago I read a book to Diego’s preschoolers called “Don’t Wake Up the Bear.” A bear is hibernating, and one animal after another comes and sleeps on its body in order to stay warm, always being warned by the hare not to wake up the bear. Last of all, a mouse comes and sleeps in the bear’s ear, where it ends up waking the bear with — what else? — a sneeze.

Roses, sneezes, robbers, and falling down flat

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