After thinking about that for a minute, I went and read the 1734 Jack and the Beanstalk story mentioned in my last post, which you can read in its entirety in this blog post (scroll down to the heading "Enchantment Demonstrated in the Story of Jack Spriggins and the Enchanted Bean"). Although it has Jack climbing a beanstalk and a giant wanting to grind Jack's bones to make his bread, most of the other details are entirely different from the familiar version. Central to the plot is a magic ring Jack is given. The ring has "a marble red stone" on it, never called a "ruby" in the text, but in the blog post linked above, an illustration has been added, with the caption "Ruby Ring." Interesting given that I had just been speculating about Ringo as a "Jack," with his ruby ring being one of the main links.
Saturday, August 9, 2025
The ruby ring
The idea popped into my head that the Beatles could be symbolically mapped to the four Knaves and Flour Boys. Ringo Starr would be Star Boy, obviously, and the ruby ring he wears in Help! is a link both to ring-shaped Hula Hoops and to the red suit of Diamonds, a ruby resembling a red diamond. John, the cheeky one, would be Cheek Holder, who has already been linked to the name John. The other two are not so obvious, but I guess Paul would be Flour Boy, and George would be Fudge Boy. (Unlike Bill, I identify Pharazon with Fudge Boy and have penciled in Moses for Flour Boy; the name George has been linked to Pharazon a few times.) This mapping also preserves the ranking of the Flour Boys, since everyone understands that the implicit "ranking" of the Beatles is John, Paul, George, Ringo.
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William,
Ring-o is Saturn.
I believe (although it was never
acknowledged ) that Ringo ( who replaced Pete Best ) is
also Jewish, as was Brian Epstein as was
Theodor Ludwig Wiesengrund
aka Theodor Adorno ( whom I shared the 'tea'
about Adorno rumored to be the ghost writer
of the Beatles catalog ) .....a few months back on your blog.
Ringo was the 'star' of both the Beatles
movies; Help! and A Hard Days Night,
which the plot of both movies
centered around Ringo.
Even In a Hard Days Night there is a scene
where John ,Paul ,George and
the character who played Ringo's
grandfather all make mention of
Ringo's ""Roman"" nose.
Copy and paste: from Hard Day's Night
"Ringo: I don't snore.
George: You do, repeatedly.
Ringo: Do I snore, John?
John: Yeah, you're a window rattler, son.
Ringo: That's just your opinion. Do I snore, Paul?
Paul: With a trombone hooter like yours,
it would be unnatural if you didn't.
Grandfather: Now, Paulie... don't mock the afflicted.
Paul: Ah, come off it, it's only a joke.
Grandfather: Aye, it may be a joke to you, but it's his nose.
He can't help having a hideous great hooter.
And the poor little head, trembling under the weight of it."
~~~~~~~
Paul as Flour boy? Or maybe he's a Flower Boy?
Paul released an 8th solo album in 1989
titled :Flowers in the Dirt. ( see link )
Note the image on the album cover sure looks
like Fire to me. ( perhaps another Fire connection?)
Regarding George ( earth tiller ) as the Fudge Boy.
Interestingly one of the few songs
written and sung by George
is titled: Savory Truffle.
According to wiki: "He ( George) derived the title
and much of the lyrics from a box of
Mackintosh's Good News chocolates."
Savory Truffle is on the White Album aka
( the END ) album.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_in_the_Dirt
Savoy Truffle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9EaBjFvQpc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Truffle
https://doyouremember.com/178201/ringo-starr-contemplated-plastic-surgery-comments-looks
William,
I just found yet another 'fleur' connection to Paul
Copy and paste:
“Le Temps Des Fleurs” is the French version of
“Those Were The Days“, recorded by Mary Hopkin
and produced by Paul McCartney in 1968, for release in France.
https://www.the-paulmccartney-project.com/song/le-temps-des-fleurs/
I think you're right about the Saturn connection. What made me hesitate to make that link before is that Star Boy is Fast Eddie, the Swift Messenger, Jack be nimble, etc. -- speed is a major theme. Saturn, on the other hand, is the slowest of the classical planets, and a "saturnine" personality is sluggish and gloomy. It doesn't seem to fit.
Nevertheless, I do think you're right. Confirmation comes from the Petit Lenormand system of fortune-telling, in which the Jack of Diamonds (Star Boy) is the Scythe -- indisputably a symbol of Saturn -- but its divinatory meanings include "speed, hasty decisions, quick endings, swiftness."
As paradoxical as it seems, "fast Saturn" is a thing. I've even posted on it before, back in 2021, where I discussed the association between Dr. Fauci ("sickle") and Rapid Ag ("quick silver") tests and mentioned that Saturn is sometimes called Mercurius Senex, or "old Mercury."
https://narrowdesert.blogspot.com/2021/12/swiftly-revolving-mercury.html
Saturn for Star Boy also fits with the traditional elemental and planetary associations of the Tarot suits:
Swords = Air = Jupiter
Wands = Fire = Mars
Cups = Water = Venus
Pentacles = Earth = Saturn
The inclusion of Moses fits well with the mapping last year in which Peter-Pharazon and Moses were both included with the Three Chip Monks. The inclusion of John to the Monks also keeps things connected and in harmony with the participants said to be involved in Jesus' Transfiguration.
On the topic or Knights, Rubies, and Flour, I had another Flour link last night. Being Friday, I was making pizzas for our crew, but also baking some bread loaves at the same time. So, I was surrounded by lots of flour. The brand I use is King Arthur Flour, and this suddenly struck me as interesting given all of the King Arthur/ Holy Grail symbolism, and this now being pulled together in the form of flour, Flour Boys, etc.
I then thought I should take a look at the logo. They updated their logo in 2020 to a very simple crown, but prior to that and going back to the 1800's, their logo incorporated a Knight on horseback, carrying both a shield and a banner with a red cross pattee on them.
A Knight is a connection to the Knaves, since we've etymologically already linked those together. The fact that he is on horseback links to the Horsemen.
I recently linked some symbolism or legends of the Knights Templar and the Holy Grail to the Rose Stone itself (and also the myths/ legends within Mormonism of the LDS endowment connecting through Masonry back to the Templars). The cross pattee is the symbol of the Templars, and the red cross seemed to point to the Rose Stone, both for its color, but also because it seems to have the true story of Jesus on it (e.g., those words saying that on the Stone "is so much hurray about Jesus Christ").
Anyway, so it was interesting to come here and see your mention again of the ruby/ red stone.
Stones have been associated with feet, and footwear (including Dorothy's ruby red slippers), so I also noted that Cross Pattee is french for "Footed Cross", which I guess comes from the flared ends forming four feet. But the literal translation is interesting because you could imagine the phrase meaning a cross that is applied to one's feet, thus "footed".
So, you have the Beatles mapped.... you going to give the Ninja Turtles a try now, as well?
I think my previous mappings, which I attempted back in the time we were working through the Chip Monks, was:
Leonardo = Peter/ Pharazon = Simon
Donatello = Moses = Theodore
Michaelangelo = Michael/ Swift Messenger = Alvin
Anyway, that is what I had - not sure of it now.
I had Raphael as Joseph at that point, I believe, but we can change that to John, perhaps. And perhaps explore whether Leonardo and Raphael need to be switched or not. I had liked Leonardo for Peter at the time due to the "Leap from the Lion's Head" stuff from Indiana Jones, Leonard Nimoy/ Spock from Star Trek, etc., but who knows.
Splinter, their sensei, would have to be Ki-Abroam/ Tom B.. To 'splint' something can mean to split something, so a Splinter would be a name for someone who has performed a split. Ki-Abroam was responsible for splitting Eressea with his magic axe.
The four horsemen should be Knights rather than Knaves, but I'm starting to think that the King, Knight and Knave of each suit might be different aspects of the same person. This as an important theme in Last Call, that a Jack may become a King.
In Paris-style cards, the King of Hearts is Charlemagne. You will remember that the Epstein dream featured "a painting that looked like it was by Bonifacio Bembo, of Charlemagne. The background was painted naturalistically, in full color, but Charlemagne himself was all gold: gold skin, gold hair, gold clothing." This is clearly Pharazonic imagery, suggesting that Pharazon may be the King as well as the Knave of Hearts. (That the painting was by Bembo, the artist who painted the oldest surviving Tarot cards, reinforces the link to cards.) In the dream, this golden Charlemagne was put in a box, as if being imprisoned.
I have horsemen mappings worked out, too, but I really should do a post on that instead of burying it in the comments.
I had used knights and knaves interchangeably since they originally both meant the exact same thing: “boy, youth, servant”
William,
Part 1 of 2
Saturn is the Nigredo ( lead) and the first step in Alchemy
which the Beatles were an alchemical experiment
and I'd bet the farm those behind the Beatles were
Alchemists as well.
My perspective regarding much of
what I share on your blog
will always be from a metaphysical lens
via the Sacred Science knowledge, aka the Mystery Schools
via the Universal Language.
In Hebrew the number 7 means completion which
completion ( start to end) forms a circle. Ring- 0 is a
hidden clue as the 0 is the circle, i.e. a beltway
which 'locks' us in.
I believe that our physical body is on the wheel
when we're in this duality dimension.
Our soul's objective ( when it is incarnated/incarcerated in
this duality dimension) is to circle the zodiac
wheel of time.
Time/clock is Saturn energy.
On your recent Stately Bev post you mentioned
Homily Clock. The clock **'traps' us in Time.
Interestingly I recently commented
on the 1965 movie Sound of Music connecting
the deer and the song Do Ra Mi.
The protagonist Maria Rainer
played by Julie Andrews was a Nun.
Nun's wear black. Maria is a free spirit
however, and takes a job as nanny
for a family whose surname is ***Trapp.
Maira attempts to rescue the children
from the 'trap' of Saturn's belt.
The song lyrics' The Hills are Alive
with the Sound of Music is symbolic
as the hills as well as mountains
are home to the El-lites and the goat.
Many EL-lites ( God's light) live
on hills. Light and lite are homophones.
And no, I don't believe that the elites
are better than us nor do I
believe that they are God's light,
however I do believe that they are masters of
their craft where it concerns making us
believe that they are God's light.
In this duality dimension,
those who turn the wheel and steer
the ship are the Eights.
The hidden hand.
O is the ouroboros so snakes
are very much an alchemical symbol as
they are the EELs( L's /Lilies).
William
part 2
Check out the album cover of the 1964 Meet the Beatles,
which I had that album!
Note all the black and the ONE EYE ( hidden in
shadow) symbolism.
I absolutely believe there was a hidden
alchemical hand behind The Beatle's brand.
On the photo cover in the Hard Day's Night
wiki page it shows the shadow to be green
( at least according to my computer monitor),
but on my album cover it was not green.
Check out the Hard Day's Night clip of
Ringo. The instrumental version playing
in the background is the song This Boy ( see link)
( Interesting connection to your Boy syncs perhaps? ).
Most of the alchemist's work, especially
where it concerns the Nigredo is about
shaping and manifesting a new creation
( the Philosopher's Stone)
in the freshly tilled dark soil.
But in order to complete the circle
they must first 'get the lead' out.
Also In the alchemist's work, you'll note
many many times, there is a theme
of an orphan or lost soul and especially
twins representing duality.
Slaves were 'lost souls'.
The Beatles song Nowhere Man is also
a lost soul message.
In the Hard Day's Night clip below, note the symbolism
of the wheel(tire) stone, water,
the young boy who calls himself a deserter
who is also ELEVEN years old.
Note Ringo says that he was a deserter too.
The young boy also refers to the tire as
a 'hoop'. ( Hula Hoop? which circles
our waist like Saturn's ring )
Note that at the very end of
the clip, listen to a voice say:
"come in number 7 your Time is up."
And last but not least and the connection to Saturn
check this out:
Copy and paste:
"Underlying the well-known link between Saturday
(Shabbat in Hebrew) and Saturn (Shabbetai in Hebrew
is the reference to Saturn as the planet in charge of the Jews.
Behind the link between Saturn and Saturday is the
astrological theory that assigns the seven planets
in succession, beginning with the sun and following
the order of their orbs, to the 24 hours of the day
and to the seven days of the week. "
~~~~~~~
Seven is the beginning and the end.
Also, and perhaps your Flour connection,
the zodiac earth sign Virgo Aug22- Sept 22
is a 7. Sept being the seventh month.
Rising sign Mercury ( fast, swiftness )
Copy and paste: asterisks mine
"The constellation Virgo has various origins
in different mythologies. In most myths, Virgo
is depicted as a virgin maiden
******associated with wheat.
In Greek and Roman mythology, Virgo is related to Demeter,
the Greek goddess of the harvest and autumn"
~~~~~~~
Everything is connected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meet_the_Beatles!
Ringo Starr lost clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIvEc4yhdpM
This Boy - song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhuU8KDLdO4
https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/saturn-and-jews
Nowhere Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8scSwaKbE64
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour
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