Saturday, July 19, 2025

On Edge

I woke up in the middle of the night with this bit of verse in my head. I wasn’t going to post it, but a recent comment from Bill about "tart wine" makes me think sour grapes may be synchronistically relevant.

The grapes were theirs,
The teeth are ours.
Our palate bears
Their sweets and sours.
'Twas theirs to tell
But I that spoke.
'Twas night that fell,
But morning broke.

16 comments:

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

For those who are not KJV readers, this is a reference to a Hebrew proverb mentioned by Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

https://newworldisland.org/bible/?grape%20teeth%20edge

Also a shout-out to my readers from the great country of Grape Teeth.

https://narrowdesert.blogspot.com/2025/07/countries-in-translation.html

Ra1119bee said...

William,
Lo and Behold, the sync Faires have shown up again!

Case in point:
Yesterday July 18th when I was doing a bit of
research about the significance of the wheel
to include in my comment,
I remembered Ezekiel's Wheel but I decided
not to add that connection to my comment.

Copy and paste ( this is from a 2012 article
written by the movie critic Rodger Ebert
who is discussing the Nick Cage 2009 Movie
Knowing.
I have commented before about my
perspective about the symbolism
in the movie Knowing. It's a great
movie . One ( out of a gazillion )
of my favorites.

There is also a black
stones connection throughout this movie.

Here's the copy and paste:
"Now to the Biblical overtones.
The movie has generated enormous interest
because it seems, some say, to be based
on the Book of Ezekiel, and the plot fulfills
prophecies about the end of the world,
visitation by aliens, wheels with wheels,
and so on.

I’m not as expert on Ezekiel as I should be,
but I can see the parallels — especially since it
has been pointed out to me that the figures
at the end might be angels, might be aliens,
or might be one resembling the other."
~~~~~~~~~~~
In the Knowing trailer clip, note all
of the Blue-Green.

What's the odds?

https://www.rogerebert.com/roger-ebert/love-and-hate-and-knowing-or-do-wings-have-angels

Knowing (2009) Official Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2zSFElhgE0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim

William Wright (WW) said...

This verse was something you had previously written and it came to mind as you woke up, or was something new altogether?

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

New. I think it’s missing a quatrain in the middle which I haven’t been able to recover, which is why I wasn’t originally going to publish it in this form.

William Wright (WW) said...

The poem definitely seems Numenorean/ Pharazonic, for sure, with the opening reference to a group of people eating someone else's grapes.

I particularly liked the third line, with the play on word for "Bears". If you remember, I ultimately concluded that it was Wine that was in my dream refrigerator that the one I was supposed to beware of was taking (presumably you), citing that wines are many times stored in a wine cooler or refrigerator. You recently shared the t-shirt image of a Bear raiding the refrigerator. A Bear whose palate Bears what was taken.

I also liked the tie between palate, in terms of what was tasted, to speaking or telling what others were meant to. The term palate is not only used to refer to taste, but also to sounds that come out of one's mouth, specifically as the tongue touches the palate. The palate plays a critical role in our ability to speak, so it seemed like a clever transition to me as I read it within the poem.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Definitely more than one meaning here.

I understood it, in light of the biblical proverb and my recent "original sin" musings, as saying "They (the fathers) have eaten sour grapes, and our (the children's) teeth have been set on edge," with the next two lines reiterating that we experience the consequences of what they did. The closing lines repeat this yet again: they in the night of the past fell, but we in the morning of the present break. Of course, the other meaning of "morning broke" introduces a hopeful note. I didn't really know what to make of the fifth and sixth lines, except that perhaps we, who have experienced the full consequences of their actions, are able to tell their story in a way that they themselves were not.

Read at face value, though, without the biblical allusion, the opening lines do seem to be saying "We ate grapes that belonged to someone else." You're right about the dual role of "palate" serving as a bridge from eating to telling. I hadn't caught that one.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Possibly relevant: Because it is beyond the Pillars of Hercules, the land of Grape Teeth (Portugal) has occasionally been proposed as the location of Atlantis. I believe Steven Sora says this in Triumph of the Sea Gods.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Also:

I like bananas, coconuts, and grapes
I like bananas, coconuts, and grapes
I like bananas, coconuts, and grapes
That’s why they call me Tarzan of the Apes

William Wright (WW) said...

Continuing with poems, this morning I woke up with just a short two-liner:

The greatest honor Heaven bestowin'
Being selected as its Chosen

"Selected" is the word I had to sub in here ... I think it may have been a different one, but I couldn't grab it. In function, selected works, though.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Talk about bending the rules of rhyme!

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

The greatest honor Heav’n bestows:
To be the one that Heaven chose.

Ftfy

William Wright (WW) said...

I think Chosen was a word specifically picked due to how it shows up in certain places of scripture (and, of course, in Pharazon's story, which I will get to in a second). The same with "Bestowin'". I originally wrote it down as "Bestow'n", because it was a play on words for Bestowing and Bee Stone, which makes sense. I actually changed it for this comment because I had the specific thought that you would pronounce it as Be-Stone, and complain about the rhyme, or lack thereof. But that is how words are often communicated to me, at least - I hear them two different ways simultaneously. I should have realized you would complain anyway and left as is.

The original form of Bestow is "Bistowen", so I guess I could have written it that way and maybe that would have satisfied you a little more?

You are a natural poet, I guess, and I am not. They work with what they have.
Anyway, thanks for fixing it for me, but I don't think you are as clever as you think you are, unfortunately. It is an interesting impulse, though, to correct or change someone else's writing. Something to note, at least.

Pharazon thought he was the Chosen One, and wore his belt around with that exact title on it, according to Daymon's stories. I think one of the reasons that word was picked. I think the poem reinforces that Heaven does the choosing, and there are specific ways which have already been spelled out on how this is done, and that is where Pharazon got tripped up. He thought he was going to fix it for everyone, too, by the way.

The Bestowin'/ Bistowen/ Bee Stone phrase I believe in a dream scene that followed shortly after. A person speaking referenced a "woman waiting in a corner booth", and I was shown a woman being seated in just such a booth in a restaurant.

A Corner Booth is noted for its privacy, and when people go to a restaurant, sometimes they will ask for a corner booth to have private conversations. One potential meaning I thought of. But I also saw Corner as an Elvish play on words: Cor Ner. Cor has come enough to be easily recognizable as Tirion (Jerusalem). Ner is an Elvish word for "man, male, husband". Booth is a word for "home, house, dwelling". So, a few different variances of meaning here, but my guess is that the Corner Booth relates to a specific place or house in Tirion. The woman would be Eowyn, who is the Bee of our story.

She has her Stone, which we could call the Bee Stone, and it is through the means of that Stone that Heaven's Chosen receives the Book of the Lamb. This brings us to the other meaning, I think, of Corner Booth, and it bringing to mind the Corner Stone. I also thought of the Ron Burgundy Jazz Flute scene in which Veronica Corningstone sat in a corner booth.

Anyway, your correction misses those important links and word plays, all for the sake of making words rhyme in a way that suits you better. All you did was gut out the meaning.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Yes, you’re right. Making it rhyme is so easy that there must have been some specific reason it was worded the way it was. They don’t think Heaven be stow’n like it is, but it do.

In a parallel case, Debbie had a Fake Intelligence rewrite my own imperfectly rhymed poem “The Craft,” and it, too, removed all the wordplay and most of the meaning.

Re the Pharazon connection, my first thought on reading your couplet was a modified James Taylor line: “Lord have mercy on the ‘chosen’ man.”

But if to Heaven you be foe-in’
You’ll be selected as its Frozen.

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

If we go with the Black English reading, where “be” plus the -ing form indicates habitual or prolonged action, it could mean that Heaven be stowin’ (storing, keeping in reserve) its greatest honor, suggesting that the Chosen has not yet been selected.

(Feel free to correct me, Debbie or anyone else. I learned Black grammar from Jewish professors decades ago and may not have it right.)

William Wright (WW) said...

I've guessed that the Rose Stone is currently being stowed at Tom's House, for example, so that works with this other meaning of Be-Stowed, I would imagine.

I have to share this because some symbols of the event were pretty relevant, and we've been talking about poets/ poems.

You've associated yourself at times with the poet Lord Byron. This past week in the U.S., one of the funniest events that came up was a man also with the last name of Byron being exposed for his infidelity on a large, circular screen at a Coldplay concert. Chris Martin and Coldplay came up on my blog in fairly direct ways, with the name and symbol of Chris Martin being associated with this Red Chosen One we are talking about here, so this initially struck me as something to note when I first learned of the incident.

Further, Martin exposing Byron happened at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro. Gillette is most well-known for their shaving razors, and you've had a few dreams and syncs around shaving, hair being removed, etc. Foxboro itself is fascinating. As a reminder, "Bor" is Elvish for all of the following: Faithful Man (who Byron obviously wasn't that night), Red/ Hot, and Stone. Bor-o itself would give us the direct translation of a Stone as an object (-o being added to the end of Elvish words to signify an object). A Fox Boro, then, being a Faithful Fox's Red Stone, among other meanings.

Further, the name of Coldplay's current tour, and thus the concert that Byron attended, is "Music of the Spheres". The stories on the Stones, specifically the Two that will link together, have been compared with music, resonance, and harmonies, so this seemed also relevant. Again, the fact that Byron was shown on a round screen (the screen obviously tying into Coldplay's set) was fascinating to me.

Anyway, Chris Martin exposing Byron at a concert called Music of the Spheres in a stadium known for Shaving Razors and a Fox's Boro, just seemed too interesting not to notice.

Infidelity, affairs, adultery, fornication, etc., are primary symbols associated with Ungoliant and the GAC. Also, reports have it that the incident happened during the song "Yellow", seemingly a sync to the Yellow Lilies, I would guess.

Here is a clip:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8YGBT5Sc5-o

Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

That's funny. Just a couple of days ago, I was teaching vocabulary, and one of the words was "circular," and the example sentence used in the book was "The ticket price includes the cost for the high-quality circular-screen movie."

I assume this is referring to Circarama 360 type screens, which encircle the audience, but the students assumed it referred to a flat screen that was shaped like a circle rather than a rectangle and wondered why anyone would want to pay more to watch a movie in that format.

Apparently the Coldplay divorce cam did in fact use a flat screen in the shape of a circle.

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