Wednesday, August 6, 2025

"AI" is grossly unreliable even for the most computerly of tasks

Every time I want to link to my post "Igxuhp zvmwqfb Jack dry stolen" by name, I have to copy and past the post title because it begins with a string of gibberish. Why, I asked myself, did I include the gibberish in the post title, when only the "Jack dry stolen" part meant anything?

Then I thought, Wait, is it possible that the gibberish does mean something?

It certainly doesn't mean anything in any possible human language, but perhaps it's a cipher? I was deeply interested in codes and ciphers as a child and read several of David Kahn's books on the subject, and the ciphers had recently been brought back to mind by Bill's comments about a movie character called Cypher.

I avoid using fake intelligences, but this seemed like a task uniquely suited to one. I asked ChatGPT:

Can you try to interpret this message: "Igxuhp zvmwqfb Jack dry stolen"

It replied:

Certainly! The phrase "Igxuhp zvmwqfb Jack dry stolen" looks like it might be partially encrypted . . . The segment "Igxuhp zvmwqfb" looks like it might be encoded using a substitution cipher, perhaps Caesar or Vigenère. These are simple ciphers commonly used in puzzles.

After trying a handful of Caesar shifts (-13, -5, and -8) and failing to decrypt the message, it turned to Vigenère:

Maybe "Jack" is the key (or a clue), and the first part is encrypted with a Vigenère cipher.

Using "Jack" as the Vigenère key to decrypt "Igxuhp zvmwqfb":
  • "Igxuhp" decrypts to "Clear"
  • "zvmwqfb" decrypts to "message"
That would make the full sentence:

"Clear message Jack dry stolen"

The appearance of the message was already astronomically unlikely, but this would take it to a whole new level. Using each letter of the alphabet exactly once, construct a string of text where the second half is a series of English words and the first half can be decoded into a series of English words by using one of the words in the second half as the key -- a monumentally difficult task even for a superintelligent Being, to say nothing of it happening by random chance!

So, absolutely mind-blowing if true -- but also, alas, very obviously not true. A Vigenère replaces each letter with a single letter, so there's no way the six-letter string igxuhp could encode the five-letter word clear.

I asked the fake intelligence to walk me through how its Vigenère cipher worked, and it did so, showing step by step how the key Jack could be used to decrypt igxuhp into -- uh, zgvkyp. It said:

Hmm... that gives us ZGVKYP -- not "CLEAR" yet -- which suggests:

We need to reverse the roles of key and cipher in the table OR maybe the key isn't "JACK", but something else -- let's test with the actual known result: "CLEAR MESSAGE."

If "Igxuhp" = "Clear" and "zvmwqfb" = "message", then we can reverse-engineer the key.

Of course, clear message isn't an "actual known result"; it's just something the fake intelligence made up. Nevertheless, it proceeded to reverse-engineer the key, spelling out the process step by step, and then concluded:

I guessed the key was "Jack", but it wasn't. When tested properly, the real key is "GVTUQNSHRDMI".

In other words, it's meaningless. If the Vigenère key can be an arbitrarily long string of gibberish, anything can be a cipher of anything. However, I suspected that even this answer was bullshit, so I asked:

Decrypt "Igxuhp zvmwqfb" using the Vigenere key GVTUQNSHRDMI

It again walked me through the process step by step, concluding with:

Final result: CLEARCHOVTEXV

This is so unbelievably incompetent that I don't even know where to begin. Even my very low expectations turned out to be too high.. Fake intelligence is fake to the core, and you should never trust what it tells you about anything, ever, without verifying it yourself.

5 comments:

Ra1119bee said...


William,
Part 1 of 2
  So, you're asking A I to make logical sense
of something that doesn't make logical sense?

 IMHO,
A I is just spitting out what we ALL ( collectively)
have stored inside of it, connecting all of our
theories, thoughts, experiences,
information we've gathered
written history, mythology, ideology, etc.
 (which may OR may not be true)
and presents an 'answer' in seconds
 (which may OR may not be true.)
Perhaps A I simply makes order out of chaos.
Chaos maybe being the trillions and trillions
of Dots of information of humanity's existence.

Maybe ChatGPT is the Ibis headed Thoth.
Thoth being associated with the colors : white, green 
and blue ( another blue green connection perhaps? )
Recall my comments about the Green Language
and the Language of the Birds.(link below )


Case in point your randomness:
Igxuhp zvmwqfb
could mean adding vowels.
I gax u hope (to) zee (that) v means wy unQualiFiaBle?

Igx u hp  z v m w qfb 

My translation:  I guess you hope to zee(see) that v
means why: unqualifiable.
Unqualifiable meaning
not capable of qualifying anything.

My point being and I'm sure you 
would agree that you can ask a gazillion people
their interpretation of Igxuhp zvmwqfb
and you'll get a gazillion different answers,
which would explain why and IMHO,
there are gazillion interpretations
 of not only the Bible, but everything else
in our existence.

Which begs the question,
 what exactly is the truth?

You interpreted  the few letters left
in the puzzle box that do make
logical sense to read: Jack Dry Stolen.
But look again in the photo
of the actual puzzle.
 
The letter S is raised a bit and
not in alignment with tolen.
So it could read: Jack Drys to len
 or maybe Jack DriveS to Len,
which both still doesn't make sense
but neither does Jack Dry Stolen.

However I will say that len could
mean lens like the lens of a camera
or the crystalline lens of an eye. 
 Jack's eyes can be Dry, no?

Ra1119bee said...

William
Part 2 
You also pushed 'sto ( to'fit in) with len
so as to make the word stolen, however
in that puzzle nether S nor To
are connected to len.

You wrote: "Fake intelligence is fake
 to the core, and you should never trust
what it tells you about anything,
ever, without verifying it yourself."
~~~~~~~~
And how do we verify something
exactly William?
IMHO, and I've shared this before, 
we only KNOW what we have experienced
ourselves.

The information I've shared on your blog
was/is information I gathered from a gazillion
hours of research across a vast spectrum
of ideologies ( which that information
may OR may not be true ).
However all the research found was
sparked by my paranormal experiences
and dreams ( many premonition)
which has become MY truth
because I've experienced
those paranormal experiences myself.

My "knowing" and big picture is not
the same as someone else
( nor should it be )
but that doesn't mean that it
isn't true and vice versa.

In other words the fact that you saw
 in that puzzle, Jack Dry Stolen
means and IMHO, that only You
can decipher it.
Not ChatGPT, not me or anyone else.

And you decipher it
 by connecting  all of your
puzzle pieces that
you've determined that your
soul has given you.

If a message is from the soul,
we immediately 'feel' it.
There's no doubt or fear
or fight.

And that applies to all syncs we
gather as they are given to
us for an important reason. 

All IMHO, of course.;-)))

https://mysteriouswritings.com/the-mysterious-language-of-the-birds/


Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Debbie, what I mean is that it can’t even apply a Vigenere cipher property, which is an extremely simple mathematical process that should be easy for a computer.

I don’t mean that there’s any objective way of verifying the “real” meaning of the message. I mean that even simple factual claims (e.g. that decrypting text X with key Y yields text Z) are likely to be BS and must be verified.

WanderingGondola said...

"Clear message" is still vaguely curious, in the same way as that "end of message" phrase you've used.

Since non-paying TwitX users have access to Grok version 3 -- labelled "fast" versus 4's "expert", but I ain't opening my purse -- I thought I'd see how it'd handle the Jack thing. This is the second time I've ever used Grok. (The first was to see how it'd go generating a fairly specific image. Initial results had the right general idea but attempting to refine them degenerated other elements; I'd be better off drawing/painting what I had in mind.)

Grok's text-gen has an option to use "extended reasoning" so I turned it on before pasting in the same question you entered. Without that, maybe the results would've been as hallucinatory as ChatGPT's answer. I watched as Grok's "thoughts" scrolled at speed for over three minutes. Its answer indicated it too tried Vigenère but got a more plausible result, and in final interpretation declared, "without additional information, its meaning is unclear". I'll email you the full text if you like.
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Ra1119bee said...

William,
I understand. Thank you for clarifying.
Most all of my perspectives , especially if it comes
from a paranormal/odd/ not ordinary source
( as you suggested the 'odd; experience with
the puzzle box might be ) and IMO, there
is no logical explanation to determine
exactly what it means .That was my point.
Symbolic
explanation absolutely, but not logical.

I would like someone to explain ,logically,
how someone can see 5 years into the future?
When I asked Co-Pilot that same question
it responded: asterisks mine
"While many claim to have the ability
to see the future through precognition,
***scientific evidence*** largely refutes this idea,
categorizing it as pseudoscience."
~~~~~~~~~
Scientific evidence???

And yet it happened , to me and
as stated, I personally believe
we all have this same ability.



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