On August 9, I left this comment:
The four horsemen should be Knights rather than Knaves, but I'm starting to think that the King, Knight and Knave of each suit might be different aspects of the same person. This as an important theme in Last Call, that a Jack may become a King.
In Paris-style cards, the King of Hearts is Charlemagne. You will remember that the Epstein dream featured "a painting that looked like it was by Bonifacio Bembo, of Charlemagne. The background was painted naturalistically, in full color, but Charlemagne himself was all gold: gold skin, gold hair, gold clothing." This is clearly Pharazonic imagery, suggesting that Pharazon may be the King as well as the Knave of Hearts. (That the painting was by Bembo, the artist who painted the oldest surviving Tarot cards, reinforces the link to cards.) In the dream, this golden Charlemagne was put in a box, as if being imprisoned.
At the time I wrote that, I didn't make the connection with another recent reference to Charlemagne. It took the Ninja Turtles to help me make the link. Earlier today, Bill left a comment on mapping the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to the four Flour Boys, and I added his mappings to the "Flour Boy symbolism roundup." The Turtles are all named after Renaissance artists, but two of them -- Michelangelo and Raphael -- also have the names of archangels. The archangels are often thought of as being four in number, which made me wonder if the other two Flour Boys might map to the two remaining archangels: Uriel and Gabriel.
Gabriel. And Charlemagne. Central to this whole Four Knaves concept has been the nursery rhyme "Rub-a-dub-dub" -- but there have been two such rhymes featured on this blog. The second, posted in "Three kings in a rug," is this:
Rub-a-dub-dub,
Three kings in a rug,
And who do you think they be?
Robert Bruce, Charlemagne,
And Juan Carlos of Spain.
Roll them up, Gabe, all three.
Note that this version has not three knaves but three kings, reinforcing my idea that "the King, Knight, and Knave of each suit may be different aspects of the same person." In Paris-style cards, the King of Hearts is Charlemagne. Who is the King of Diamonds? Caesar. How perfect is that? In the "Flour Boy symbolism roundup," I speculated that Bill might see himself as Star Boy, and the lack of any denial in the comments makes me think I'm probably right. A month ago, on (as it happened) Caesar's birthday, Bill posted a comment about seeing himself "in the symbolic role of Caesar." And on what post was that comment? "Three kings in a rug."
Here are my tentative mappings for the archangels and the three kings in a rug:
- Cheek Holder = Gabriel
- Flour Boy = Uriel = Robert the Bruce
- Fudge Boy = Raphael = Charlemagne
- Star Boy = Michelangelo = Juan Carlos of Spain
I vividly remember the first time I heard the name Charlemagne. It was in a Mormon sacrament meeting in New Hampshire when I was perhaps seven years old. As Mormons have no professional clergy at the local level, instead of a sermon there are a few "talks" by ordinary members of the congregation, whose relative lack of public-speaking experience is often evident. A typical talk might begin something like this: "Good morning, brothers and sisters. I'm thankful to have this opportunity to speak to you this lovely Sabbath morning. When Brother Glover called me and asked me to speak. . . ." In other words, they don't exactly start with a bang.
But one Sunday, a fiery old man got up to speak, and the first word out of his mouth was a very loud "Charlemagne!" He paused for effect and then told a strange story about that worthy. Charlemagne, he said, had been buried in a crypt, not lying supine but seated on a throne. Many years later, someone opened his crypt for some reason and found his desiccated corpse, still seated on the throne, with an open Bible on his lap and a bony finger pointing to this verse:
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? (Matt. 16:26)
I don't remember any more of the talk, but that very unusual opening has stuck with me. I remember not a single word of any other sacrament-meeting talk I heard at that age -- so good job, old man!
6 comments:
William,
You wrote: "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain
the whole world, and lose his own soul?
or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? (Matt. 16:26)"
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My response and humble opinion : and maybe
therein lies your big picture.
Re Uriel as “Minister of Mars” (as Longfellow has it), I recently quoted Emerson’s poem “Uriel” in connection with a picture of Aries that has a lot of Mars imagery.
https://narrowdesert.blogspot.com/2025/08/the-viper-dragon-lil-dragon-lizard-and.html
I presume you meant to write August 9, not April. Have the Turtles left a subconscious influence on you? j/k
Not keen on this further mapping in general, but I can't really pinpoint why.
Fixed, thanks.
William,
Part 1 of 2
In the Aries/Mars illustration in your viper-dragon post
note the Tarot Magician ( as above so below )
on the left side in the back of the illustration.
I'm not at all well versed on the tarot cards, however
my sister was back in the early 1970's so I'm familiar
with the tarot.
I found it interesting in the Rider-Waite Magician card
the Magi is holding the baton/wand with this
right hand ( as is the Magician in the Aires illustration).
In Oswald Wirth's Magician, the magi is holding
the baton in his left hand.
In the Rider-Waite Magician Tarot card there
are several items that connect to my puzzle pieces,
which are: the eight infinity sign, the cup/chalice
( recall my recent comment about my 2003 Tweed dream
and the tea cup and saucer), also in the Rider-Waite
Magician card
are white lilies and red roses which of course connects
to many of my puzzle pieces as I've
shared many times before.
Also what's odd is that this morning (Aug 11) I had
a very odd dream, which unfortunately
I can't recall all of it, but at one point,
I do recall that one of my fingers was cut off.
I pretty sure it was my index finger which the index finger,
also known as the first finger in the Mudras is 'air' energy.
What's odd that in the dream, although my 'air energy'
i.e. first finger/ index finger was cut off,
I retrieved it and was looking for someone to
reattach it.
As I'm sure you know,
in the Rider-Waite Magician he is pointing
down with his air/index finger.
While researching this new puzzle piece dream
about the cut off of my index finger,
I found this very intriguing connection regarding Osiris
and the index and middle finger symbolism.
(see link below)
The middle finger btw is
Saturn energy. So in popular culture
when we give someone the middle, maybe
we're giving them 'Saturn/satanic energy?
William
Part 2
I also found Oswald Wirth's Magician tarot card interesting
as well, as the Tulip replaces the lily and the rose.
Of course as you may recall it was my 2021 Tulip dream
which led me to Wirth, which led me to you and your blog,
The Magician's Table.
Not only does Wirth's Magician have the Tulip
and the chalice , the eight/infinity hat, ( and
I never noticed it before ) but Wirth's Magician
also has another interesting
item which are the 2 coins on the table.
Copy and paste, link below:
"The Oswald Wirth Tarot
Oswald Wirth’s Magician has three symbols
of the minor arcana on his table: a sword,
a cup and*** coins.
In his hand he has the fourth symbol: a staff."
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Of course the coins represent the material
including finance, which of course
most of my working life
I spent in banking.
I did see the Magician illustration when I first read
your viper post, but didn't comment but when you re-linked
the viper dragon post on your comment in this thread,
I thought I'd do a bit more research on the
Magician tarot, which I'm glad I did.
IMHO, that's what synchronicity is.
Something that crosses
our path unexpectedly and gets our attention, and either
connects to puzzle piece(s) that we already have, OR
creates another puzzle piece because we strongly
feel that the new puzzle piece
has significance to our big picture.
In other words: it 'resonates' with us.
Many times we don't know or can't explain the connection
of the new puzzle piece, especially if we haven't connected
any of our other puzzle pieces and they're still in disarray
in the box.
And it always seems to happen that once we connect a few,
puzzle pieces it's easier to connect the others
and as a result, more of the big picture is revealed,
so that we can solve the puzzle and learn the lesson
which was always the objective of the soul.
Every 3 years or so, I try to re-read my large archives of
dreams in my journals just for that purpose and sure enough I
find several dreams that I didn't understand before, but
makes perfect sense and fits perfectly
when I read the old dreams with different eyes.
This is all in my humble opinion, of course.:-)))
https://www.willemwitteveen.com/healing-fingers-healing-touch/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magician_(tarot_card)
https://www.anne-marie.eu/en/tarot-1-the-magician/#
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