The last, and it looks like only, time you've mentioned goblins on your blog was in connection with the Goblin Market.
When I read that, I knew that wasn't true. (Bill, it turns out, had searched for the singular goblin and thus missed posts that used only the plural.) I knew that I had once used the phrase "when only the goblins are out" in a post here to describe my habit of prowling about in the wee hours. That turn of phrase was borrowed, or so I thought, from Helter Skelter, Vincent Bugliosi's 1974 book about Charles Manson and the Tate-LaBianca murders, where he (the prosecutor in the case) used it to question why certain of Manson's associates were abroad at an hour when all decent folk are asleep.
I would swear on a stack of White Albums that that's where I got that expression, but apparently I would be wrong. I have scoured the Internet, and a pirated ebook of Helter Skelter, in vain for any such wording. (Crazily, the very first thing I tried -- searching Google for goblins "helter skelter" -- returned the very poem Bill had mentioned: "Goblin Market" by Christina Rossetti, which happens to include the phrase "helter skelter.") I really don't know what to make of that. I have never read any other books about the Manson affair, and scarcely any other "true crime" books, so I can't imagine how I can have misremembered.
Casting a wider net, and trying various paraphrases, I ended up finding a reference to St. Mark, in Ebenezer Cobham Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable:
Anyway, wherever the phrase may have come from (and I still feel 100% sure it was from Helter Skelter!) the post that used it was 2020's "Not just fear; dogs can smell leonine thoughts." This post recounts an incident in which
As I was walking along, I suddenly visualized myself as a lion -- specifically, as the bipedal lion depicted on the cover of the Rolling Stones album Bridges to Babylon
The synchronistic significance is that Bill's comment, the same one that led me back to that old post, connects the Great Tower (vulgarly yclept "of Babel") with a Stone Bridge and also mentions a Stone Lion -- a lion, stones, a bridge, and Babylon. A pretty tight set of links, and definitely coincidental, since we know Bill was unaware of that post's existence.
Another Helter Skelter link is found in the "Drill, baby, drill!" post Bill was commenting on. That post quotes a Conrad Aiken poem that begins:
One two three fourfive six sevenall good goatswill go to heaven
Just a few days ago (March 9), someone posted this on /x/:
That's a door on Spahn Movie Ranch with some graffiti put there by someone in the Charles Manson group (my guess would be Sandra Good, but who knows):
1234567ALLGOODCHILD-REN(Go to Heaven?)
As I said, I'm not really a "true crime" guy. My familiarity with the Manson saga is almost entirely due to the influence of my uncle Bill, who has been staunchly speaking up for Manson and arguing for his innocence for longer than I've been alive. This same uncle also wrote a narrative poem about Robin Goodfellow (Shakespeare's Hobgoblin) being transformed by Merlin into a mortal child who grows up to become Robin Hood.
In my Drill post, which connected the red-nosed Mandrill with the Hobgoblin, I referred to this conflated character as Robin Rednose. Bill made the obvious link from this to Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer. I have connected the Drill with the Dolphin, and my 2021 post called simply "Dolphin" connects this animal with Rudolph.
In another comment, Bill brings up Shrek (which I've never watched) and connects this ogre with the Hobgoblin:
Shrek is an ogre, a word that can mean something like "demon, monster", which is not unlike the meaning of goblin, which can mean "devil, demon" as well. Further, Shrek is a Yiddish/ Jewish name that means "Fear or Fright". This seemed like a direct hit for our Hobgoblin, a word that Etymonline specifically says "Something that causes fear and disquiet".
The D&D hobgoblin "deep dive" I linked in that post also makes such a connection:
A Hobgoblin King can be found in its lair and may have up to 200 Hobgoblins with him. Both the king and his bodyguards, numbering 2-4, fight as if they were an Ogre. This just means that they deal extra damage when they hit you with their attacks, and it, unfortunately, means that they aren’t carrying around 100 to 600 gold pieces… which is strangely what Ogres do when they are walking around away from home. We guess you need a little walking around money, but that seems like a lot to just be walking around with.
Given the recent mandrill syncs, I decided to search /x/ for that word on 4plebs. The first few results were super-synchy:
The first (i.e. most recent) result pairs dolphin with mandrill. The fourth says:
>mandrillyou must be a D&D player
This was because a thread about animals that seem demonic had a mandrill as the main image. In my Drill post, I explained that a D&D manual illustration is the reason I associate the mandrill with the Hobgoblin. The image accompanying the /x/ post is not a hobgoblin, though, but a D&D baddie called Demogorgon, shown with two mandrill-like heads. In other words, the hobgoblin connection is a complete coincidence.
Most of the other results were references to the Mandela Effect as the "Mandrill Effect" -- a running joke about how "in my timeline" it's always been called that. One of the top results focuses on Fiona Broome, the person who coined Mandela Effect:
This is a sync because apparently one of the characters in Shrek is called Fiona, and Bill's comment discussed the name and its etymology.
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That second result would seem to be a link to that Shrek song, "Who I'd be".
Shrek was specifically linked to the Mandrill, and in his song he repeatedly uses the phrase "I would be a . . . " (well, technically he says "I'd be a ...", but I'd is a contraction for I would so I am counting it) to list things like a hero, viking, etc.
Here you just can imagine Shrek including "I would be a Mandrill" in the song as well.
You have a nice box of cereal as well in those search results, and the "Fruit Lips" seems oddly meaningful in context.
Good catch. I missed the significance of that “I would be.” Just below it in the original thread is yet another dolphin reference:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38792486/#38793467
Is “Fruit Lips” another Rolling Stones link?
That is a real possibility, I think. The connection was so general in my mind that I didn't even bother trying to articulate why it seemed meaningful, it just seemed to be, but your Rolling Stones link teased out at least one potential discrete thread in my mind.
The Rolling Stones I've associated with *the* Rolling Stone, the one from Daniel, which would be the Rose Stone cut out of a mountain in Idaho in 2020. That is also - in my mind - the same Stone the Seer in Joseph's prophecy from 2 Nephi 3 would have in his possession. In that prophecy, you have both the seer and the spokesman involved in some way.
I've made the guess that perhaps it is this same Being now represented by the Mandrill who might be that Spokesman. "Lips" in scripture references is associated with words and speaking, as in with Isaiah's passage of people drawing near to God with their lips, but having hearts far from him.
Here, though, we have a cereal box with "Fruit Lips", or words/ speaking that results from some Fruit, which would be the Stone(s). I think this could also get to the Tree of Life and its Fruit, maybe.
And the Fruit Lips originally caught my attention because it was a box of cereal and this goes all the way back to your Alizio story and Patrick needing to eat those 5 boxes of cereal, so I think maybe that all fits in here somehow. If I remember right, I had tied the name Patrick to Peter since Patrick means "Patrician". Patrician comes from the word that means Father, and you even get a fun word game with that since that word in Latin and Greek is Pater.
"In a moment the entire palace was alive with people. Guardsmen, officers, courtiers, servants, and slaves ran helter-skelter through the corridors and apartments carrying messages and orders, and searching for signs of the assassin."
From A Princess of Mars, which I listened to recently in audiobook form. This is when the green four arms monsters of Mars invade Zodanga at the behest of John Carter who uses it to rescue the princess.
William,
First of all.... Happy Birthday~~
Regarding baboons and mandrills:
Maybe your baboon/mandrill is a dog faced/DOGE/Cynocephalus?
I 'coincidently ' came across this information
about the Cynocephalus while reading an article about the Fleur-d-lis.
(link below)
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"In the Temple-Herren of Nicolai there is an account
of a Gnostic gem, or talisman, which represents a 'Cynocephalus',
with a lunar disc on his head, standing in the act of adoration,
with sceptrum displayed, before a column engraved with letters,
and supporting a triangle.
This latter architectural figure is, in fact, an obelisk.
All the Egyptian obelisks were Phalli. The triangle symbolizes
one of the Pillars of Hermes (Hercules).
The Cynocephalus was sacred to him. The Pillars of Hermes
have been Judaised into Solomon's 'Jachin and Boaz'.
So says Herz, in regard to 'Masonic Insignia'."
" In addition, the Greeks and Romans called a species
of apes cynocephalus (these apes are suspected to be baboons.)
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As far as your comment regarding Manson, I'm sure you know
he was born in Cincy.
https://www.projecteleazar.com/cynocephali/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynocephaly
MYTHIC HISTORY OF THE FLEUR-DE-LIS
https://sacred-texts.com/sro/rrm/rrm12.htm
Anonymous, please use a name or pseudonym.
Debbie, thanks. The most famous Cynocephalus is St. Christopher.
https://narrowdesert.blogspot.com/2025/03/christopher-columbus-and-elon-musk.html
A baboon or mandrill as a Cynocephalus is interesting. The Rider-Waite Wheel of Fortune card includes both a Cynocephalus and a Sphinx. The mandrill's scientific name is Mandrillus sphinx.
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