I'm only about a third of the way through it, but already I've found a lot that is unexpectedly relevant to what we generally refer to as This Thing.
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1. Tolkien as non-fiction
This is an approach not too many people take, but Wendy Berg is one of them:
The power of Tolkien's work lies in the fact that he has not invented a fantastic or unreal story but that he used his imagination as the means by which he could remember some of the ancient history of our world when the human and Elven/Faery races walked the land together.
Nor is it only in a general way that Tolkien's writings reveal the ancient past. Berg cites details of Tolkien as if they were at least as authoritative as Geoffrey of Monmouth or Wolfram von Eschenbach.
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2. Coat of skins
One of Bill's deleted blogs was called Coat of Skins, a phrase from the Eden story which he took to refer to the physical body. He also often explored the idea of Elves or other higher beings incarnating in a human "coat of skins," sometimes symbolized by an ape or pig.
Here is Wendy Berg's take on the phrase from Genesis:
The phrase "coats of skins" does not refer to clothes but to that moment in creation when the binding limitation of the physical body within its containing skin was first made real. It is this coat of skin which marks the essential difference between human and Faery. . . . the creation of the limiting skin marked the first moment of the physicality of Adam and Eve. Up until this moment they, and the earth, were as the Faeries
Interpreting the "coat of skins" as a physical body is not an unusual approach, but the idea of Elf-like beings putting on coats of skins to become human makes this a much specific match with Bill's thinking.
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3. Split incarnations
The idea that single soul can temporarily "split" and incarnate in two separate bodies simultaneously is something one of my correspondents has been exploring (to explain for example how I can "be" Pharazon while the actual Pharazon is still imprisoned in the Caves of the Forgotten). Wendy Berg also proposes that this is possible, but only for Faeries. Then again, Faeries can incarnate in human "coats of skins," so the distinction is a malleable one.
Leodegrance has two identical daughters both called Gwenevere, one of whom was accepted as 'real' in the sense that she was recognised to be of royal status, while the other was not. . . . The two Gweneveres are two manifestations of the same incarnatory impulse: they are indeed both Gwenevere. Humans have one single spark of spiritual identity which manifests in only one physical body at any one place and time, but this is not so for the Faery race. What in human terms might be thought of as a 'clone' is not so in Faery terms, and while the concept of the individual spark or spirit is common to both human and Faery, the latter race is much more flexible and varied in its manifestation. What would seem inconceivable to us, something we would interpret as loss of our essential, spiritual oneness, is not so to the Faeries. It is possible for one Faery spirit to manifest in one, or two, or many different places at the same time.
Berg seems to be making a sharp distinction between Human and Faery here, but later she suggests that "it was perhaps the case that the false Gwenevere" -- one of the abovementioned pair who were "indeed both Gwenevere" in a way possible only for Faeries -- "was human and not Faery." So apparently one spirit who is "really" a Faery can have two simultaneous incarnations as a Faery and a Human. Could she have incarnated as two Humans instead? The significance of these distinctions, at least in terms of a given spirit's real or ultimate identity, begins to be rather unclear. However, it parallels Bill and Leo's ideas about Elves and Dwarves incarnating as Men.
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4. The White Tree
One of the main "articulations" Daymon Smith found between the works of J. R. R. Tolkien and Joseph Smith was the image of a White Tree. The parallel seems at first to be rather superficial, however. In Tolkien, it is an actual tree -- Telperion, one of the Two Trees of Valinor, and its various descendants -- while in the Book of Mormon it is a visionary symbol, "a representation of the tree of life," which in turn "was a representation of the love of God" (1 Ne. 15:22; 11:25). By calling it "the tree of life," Nephi implicitly identifies it with one of the two trees of Eden, the other being the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Telperion is also one of a pair, but its partner, Laurelin the Golden, seems quite different in character from the tree whose forbidden fruit brought suffering and death into the world. It is interesting, though, that in both the Legendarium and the Book, it is the White Tree alone that maintains its relevance through the ages, while its partner appears only in legends about the distant past.
The Bible makes no mention of the Tree of Life being white or having white fruit. That imagery comes from the Book of Mormon. But Wendy Berg, with no apparent knowledge of the Book, draws on Arthurian legend and arrives independently at this same idea of the biblical Tree of Life being a White Tree.
The Red Tree of her title then becomes identified with "the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil which might perhaps more accurately be called the 'tree which makes you human'."
The first tree brings death, but the second tree brings immortality. The first tree symbolises the condition of humankind and the second tree symbolises the condition of Faery, There are two trees in the Garden of Eden: human, and Faery, and the symbolism is of vital importance. The problem that the Lord God was so anxious to avoid, and with good reason, was that Adam should have simultaneous access to two states of being, human and Faery. He could be one or the other, but not both at the same time.
From here, she goes on to make independently the same connection that Daymon made only with the help of the Book of Mormon: Tolkien's White Tree is the Tree of Life. She then takes the next logical step, which I believe Daymon does not: Its partner is the Tree of Knowledge.
One is the Elven or Faery tree, and the other is the human tree . . . . Telperion was the elder, just as the Elves are the elder race. . . . Laurelin was the younger, just as the race of Men is the younger. . . . Laurelin represents the Sun, the Solar Logos of the human race. Telperion represents the Moon and the stars, and was the White Tree, the Faery Tree of Immortality, the second tree of the Garden of Eden.
I haven't yet digested all of this, nor even finished reading through the book, but I thought the presence of so much This Thing-related content in one short book on the seemingly unrelated topic of Arthurian legend was remarkable.
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William,
From a metaphysical lens:
Regarding Split Incarnations.
Copy and paste:
"Bilocation
The concept of bilocation has been linked with shamanism,
Theosophy, Islam (especially Sufism) and Jewish mysticism.
Hinduism and Buddhism
It is also one of the ****siddhis of Hinduism and Buddhism.
Several prominent Hindu gurus, including Neem Karoli Baba,
Sri Yukteswar and Lahiri Mahasaya,
have been reported to have this ability.
Christianity
The history of Christianity contains many reports
of miraculous bilocations. Among the earliest of these
is the apparition of Our Lady of the Pillar.
This is an alleged appearance of the
Virgin Mary in Caesaraugusta, Spain,
in the year 40 AD, at a time when she is believed
to have been still alive and living in Jerusalem."
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I personally believe that the soul and spirit are
from one source but not the same thing.
Perhaps the spirit is able to roam freely
as in bilocation, but in this duality dimension
of male OR female, I personally don't believe the
spirit lives in other physical matter at the same time.
Regarding reincarnation and IMHO,
reincarnation is of the soul, not the spirit.
In alchemy the marriage of the opposites
(Red King and the White Queen)
is the Rebis meaning Latin: two THINGS, double entity.
You wrote: "I'm only about a third of the way through it,
but already I've found a lot that is unexpectedly
relevant to what we generally refer to as ***This Thing.
I believe that the Rebis are
the EL's aka the 11's. And yes, I believe that
the El's are different from HUE( color) Man,
Adam/Atom.
I believe the difference is that the hu-man has a soul.
Recall I shared that in my March 24th 1997 Hale Bopp dream,
the space man gave me a white Styrofoam cup
and inside was one milky crystal. A cup/chalice is symbolic
of the female.
The space man then telepathically told me that in order to stay
***human I had to ingest the milky crystal.
In the dream, I looked down at the crystal
in the cup. I didn't ingest it. I then woke up.
Of course Milk is white.
Maybe this duality dimension is the land of
Milk and Honey.
Honey having amber/ red/gold/yellow tones.
The luminaires moon and sun.
The moon being white/silver/ female/queen.
The sun being red/orange/yellow/gold/male/king .
Red King, White Queen.
Milk and Honey.
The drones work for the Queen. No queen, no honey.
No drones, no queen.
Together they manifest.
The Rebis is the manifestation that transcends the duality.
IMHO, what I wrote above
somewhat mirrors what you wrote here: asterisks mine
"Laurelin represents the Sun, the Solar Logos of the ***human race.
Telperion represents the Moon and the stars, and was the White Tree,
the Faery Tree of Immortality, the second tree of the Garden of Eden."
Maybe the El's are the moon/luna entities? Recall
the recent Artemis 1 space mission to the moon.
From wiki, asterisks mine :Artemis the goddess of hunting,
the wilderness, wild animals, transitions, nature,
vegetation, childbirth, care of children, and chastity.
She was often said to ***roam the forests and mountains,
attended by an entourage of nymphs.
The goddess Diana is her Roman equivalent."
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Maybe the nymphs are the fairies?
And last but not least, and lo and behold recall
the Artemis 1 ' umbrella colors and its splash
down into sea( see).
Coincidence?
Follow the symbolism.
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/11/1141946917/nasa-artemis-splashdown-moon-mission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilocation
https://www.abracademica.com/l/rebis-the-alchemical-hermaphrodite/
William,
Correction in my comment I referred
to the Artemis 1 space mission
and linked the image of the 2022 moon mission.
The recent Artemis space mission was Artemis 2 .
The splash down on April 10, 2026.
However, the 'umbrella' colors are the same. 1 and 2.
Recall Dr. Seuss and the Cat in the Hat.
The Cat's hat is red and white.
Recall in the story the Cat brings into the house
Thing 1 and Thing 2.
Recall my recent comments connecting red and white
and the Cat in the Hat.
Interesting the wording Geisel uses: the Thing (1and 2)
which coincidently having connections to the Rebis.
I bet the farm Geisel was a bloodline 11 who
knew the Language of the Birds.
The birds live in the trees right?
https://www.astronomy.com/space-exploration/artemis-2-splashes-down/
At the highest level I see no point in distinguishing between Man and Elf/Faery, since they both house spirits. Dwarves, however... I suspect they generally didn't (don't?) share that attribute.
I also have problems with the Eden story, but you'll be hearing from me about that soon enough.
You could imagine the symbolism of the light and dark eyes/ lenses that has come up as tying to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. In the myth, Satan's argument is that by tasting the fruit of that tree, Adam and Eve's eyes would be opened and they would be like the Gods knowing (or being able to see/ perceive) good and evil.
Those are some interesting themes in that book you are reading. In Daymon's stories, he does indirectly tie the White Tree (of Numenor) to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and we get some basis for an alternative telling of that story, or at least one muddled parallel. Which isn't necessarily unique in that many have seen parallels in the Fall of Numenor with the story of the Fall of Man (and Humpty Dumpty's Great Fall).
In that story, up until Sauron took over, people were freely able to eat Nimloth's fruit. Sauron arrived and forbid this, convincing Pharazon that the Valar were unhappy with the practice. Which is a strange twist, since we now have (a) Satan, and not God, being the one giving the instruction to avoid that Tree. Further, Daymon, Pengelodh, or whoever places Izilba in the traditional role of Eve when Sauron claims:
""By one known to you as Izilba was the fruit of this tree grasped wrongfully, and consumed, and yet to her it brought painful wrenching of death..."
Which was a lie by Sauron, obviously, but is another tie between the White Tree and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in that it was said to bring death if you ate it. Nimloth seems to symbolically represent both trees of Fall mythology, at one period of time and to some people the Tree of Life, and to others the Forbidden Tree.
In other news, the reference to a head dropped into a well brought to mind a scene from that dumb Jay Leno/ Leno 501 skit. At the end, the valet tells Leno, "You look just like a floating head."
Instead of assuming that the White Tree can represent either of the trees of Eden, and that Satan can either tempt or forbid people to eat the Fruit of Knowledge, isn't it more straightforward to assume that the White Tree is consistently the Tree of Life, and that it is this fruit (representing, according to Nephi, the love of God) which Satan doesn't want people to eat?
On split souls, I think that this is the case if we take the definition of soul to mean the spirit and the body (D&C 88: "the spirit and the body are the soul of man"). So a spirit that is separated from its body would be a split soul.
One of the reasons for the Coat of Skins emphasis on my blog is the belief that we currently live in a state where our spirits are in fact separated from our eternal bodies, and we are divided souls. We are currently "Dead" in the sense that our spirits are separated from our true, eternal bodies, and are housed temporarily in what we've got now.
I take it as implied that spirits/ minds inhabiting deathless bodies was our state at a time long before, and will be again, only going forward we will never again have to be separated. The union will be eternal based on the outcome of the resurrection.
This leaves an interesting question: If our souls used to be joined with an immortal body, and those bodies cannot die (since they are immortal), where are they now and how will we be reunited with them?
Probably. I was more interested in how stories get convoluted, and our creation myths, including the Fall, are included in that.
I don't think Lehi's commentary on the "forbidden fruit' support Laurelin as candidate for the role, but it also doesn't support Nimloth being both Trees, either (and definitely not what is in Moses 3) . I was just more interested in Sauron positioning the White Tree as the forbidden tree and how that might have worked its way into myths we have today that aren't true, but still based on some underlying reality.
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